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JonF
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Message 15 of 153 (844653)
12-03-2018 12:30 PM
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12-03-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
Your link supports his thesis.

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JonF
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Message 19 of 153 (844703)
12-04-2018 10:54 AM
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12-04-2018 7:20 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
Your numbers are wrong. Still, right-wing terrorism is significantly more prevalent than left-wing terrorism. But the current administration wants to fight the latter and ignore the former.

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JonF
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Message 21 of 153 (844732)
12-04-2018 3:31 PM
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12-04-2018 11:03 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
It's not significantly more prevalent (by death)
[citation required]
Antifa is a terrorist organization,
[citation required] What agency or organization has them on their list? How many people have they killed?
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JonF
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Message 24 of 153 (844742)
12-04-2018 7:05 PM
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12-04-2018 4:10 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
*Fox News* is not numbers. How many killed by left wing "terrorists" over what time period? How many killed by right wing "terrorists" over the same time period?
List twelve red state police organizations that formally declare antifa to be terrorists. How many people have they killed, with references to the incidents?
Bet you can't answer any of those questions.
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JonF
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Message 26 of 153 (844773)
12-05-2018 8:51 AM
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12-04-2018 7:48 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
Whoops, I didn't notice it was you and not RiverRat. (On my phone it's much easier to read this site with the names scrolled offscreen). No harm done. Just another instance of Poe's law.

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JonF
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Message 32 of 153 (844787)
12-05-2018 11:17 AM
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12-05-2018 10:42 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
I already provided citations by death. Do the math yourself.
No need. From your link:
quote:
Terrorists murdered 3,342 people on U.S. soil from 1992 through August 12, 2017. Islamist terrorists are responsible for 92% of all those murders. The 9/11 attacks, by themselves, killed about 89% of all the victims during this time. During this time, the chance of being murdered in a terrorist attack committed by an Islamist was about 1 in 2.5 million per year.
Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group by ideology, as they account for 6.6% of all terrorist murders during this time. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history, killed 168 people and accounted for 77% of all the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was about 1 in 33 million per year.
Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time, about 0.7% of the total number of murders, but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed five since then, including Charlottesville. Regardless, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year.
Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. Terrorists with unknown or other motivations were the least deadly. Islamists swamped them all.
I.e you are wrong.
The government has labelled Antifa a terrorist organization. The fact that you don't know that should concern you.
You might be right. Since the official list is not available to the public, it's difficult to tell for sure.

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JonF
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Message 34 of 153 (844789)
12-05-2018 11:21 AM
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12-05-2018 10:44 AM


Re: Left wing terroism

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JonF
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Message 36 of 153 (844800)
12-05-2018 1:57 PM
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12-05-2018 10:42 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM: Actions Needed to Define Strategy and Assess Progress of Federal Efforts
quote:
This appendix provides details on the violent extremist attacks in the United States based on the U.S. Extremist Crime Database (ECDB) data and as described in the background section of this report. Specifically, tables 1 and 2 show a description, date, location and number of victim fatalities for each far right and radical Islamist attack between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016. During this period, no persons in the United States were killed in attacks carried out by persons believed to be motivated by extremist environmental beliefs, extremist animal liberation beliefs, or extremist far left beliefs. The information on these attacks, including the motivations of the attackers, is from the ECDB, maintained by National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), at the University of Maryland. START is a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Center of Excellence. The ECDB tracks violent extremist incidents in the United States since 1990. For our analysis, we included the time period from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, to show violent extremist attacks that have occurred since the September 11, 2001 attacks. We assessed the reliability of this data source through review of database documentation and interviews with the ECDB principle investigators. We discussed cases with the ECDB investigators to clarify details as needed. We determined that this data source was sufficiently reliable for providing background information on the problem of violent extremism in the United States, including the number of attacks and fatalities by ideological motivation (far right or radical Islamist), year and location.
...
Table 1: Far Right Violent Extremist-Motivated Attacks that Resulted in Fatalities, September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, as reported in the U.S. Extremist Crime Database (ECDB)
...
Number of incidents: 62 Total victims: 106
Table 2: Radical Islamist Violent Extremist-Motivated Attacks that Resulted in Fatalities, September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, as reported in the U.S. Extremist Crime Database (ECDB)
...
Number of Incidents: 23 Total Victims: 119
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JonF
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Message 37 of 153 (844801)
12-05-2018 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by riVeRraT
12-05-2018 10:42 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
Did far-right extremist violence really spike in 2017?
quote:
The far-right committed eight fatal attacks in 2017 that killed nine people, including the vehicle attack in Charlottesville.
Three homicides intentionally targeted African-Americans, two in Baton Rouge and one in New York City.
Another attack involved a heated exchange over political ideology between a father and son, while a separate incident involving a xenophobic and racist tirade on public transportation in Portland escalated into a double murder.
Two other attacks took the lives of an Army lieutenant and a sheriff’s deputy.
The number of attacks in 2017 is only slightly higher than the average number of far-right homicides, 7.5, that took place between 1990 and 2016. There was an average of nearly 17 victims per year for the prior 27 years compared to the nine deaths in 2017. If the 168 murder victims of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing are not included in the count, due to the unusually high number of causalities, there was an average of nearly 11 homicide victims per year from 1990 to 2016.
...
In addition, far-left extremists, including black nationalists, committed four homicides with seven victims including two police officers, with two other possible incidents still under investigation. This appears to be a possible shift because, until the last three or so years, the far-left mostly focused on property damage and was involved in few fatal attacks.
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JonF
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Message 103 of 153 (851680)
04-30-2019 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Chiroptera
04-30-2019 3:09 PM


Re: The advantages of a liberal democratc republic
And the Presidential campaigns of the early 19th century. Think of what they could have done with modern capabilities.
Trump still takes the cake, though.

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JonF
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Message 129 of 153 (853652)
05-30-2019 9:39 AM
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05-30-2019 12:08 AM


This is much like her argument that "there is no right-wing violence" wherein she restricted the definition of "violence" so much that only the Charlottesville murder could fit it, and then she had only one incident to ignore.

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Message 137 of 153 (861226)
08-18-2019 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
08-18-2019 3:13 PM


Re: Republicans and El Paso: It's the liberals' fault!
Good thing you won't be presented with that choice.

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JonF
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Message 150 of 153 (861295)
08-19-2019 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Chiroptera
08-19-2019 1:06 PM


Re: South and Central Americans
They sure do hate the First Amendment and the plain meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. Quite a few are against the Seventeenth Amendment (direct election of Senators).

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