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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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During the 60's when I was in high school my friends and I formed a rocketry club. We had several night launches that were loaded with chemicals that exploded with bright flashes. We also perpetrated several UFO hoaxes involving surplus weather balloons and road hazard flares. Memories from a misspent youth.
![]() What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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In the early 60s three high school friends and I were into model rocketry. We built several multi stage rockets that had payloads of explosive chemicals, usually Potassium chlorate, powdered sugar, gun powder and magnesium dust. These were all chemicals that we (kids) could buy at the drug store.
We launched these rockets at night in the summer and they lit up the sky briefly when they exploded. We also bought surplus weather balloons that we filled with Hydrogen and connected together with fine wire. soda straws on the wire maintained the spacing and formation. We spay painted them silver and hung road flares about 10 feet below each balloon. The balloons accounted for 2 UFO sightings in our area. There is not a single documented shred of physical evidence of alien visitation. The U.S. government couldn't keep contact a secret any better than they keep any other secrets. Does anyone believe Trump could keep his mouth shut about that?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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US Government Says UFOs are “Real”
An Analysis of the 60 Minutes Investigation quote: quote: quote: It looks like 60 Minutes' journalistic skepticism was lacking.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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But, again, why are we still obsessing over the Piltman Hoax? If you mean the Piltdown Hoax, who's obsessing over it? It was exposed a ling time ago.
What about the scientific inquiry currently underway? Into Piltdown?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
It already anticipates the Roswell/Piltman mold I just read. I have no clue what you are talking about. "the Roswell/Piltman mold"? I tried googling it and got nothing useful.
(My point is that this current AATIP/ Elizondo Senate hearing is an issue grounded in SCIENCE itself, not some historical account of speculation and/or blunders from a half century ago. This is not about the mid 1970s and not about the infectious obsessions that lasted well into the early years of the internet age) Still no clue.
( This is not an anthropological look back at blunders from the past. Creationism is built around surgical techniques that zoom in on the history of being wrong. The Piltman Man is a ghost from the past. Keep it in context or run the risk of being totally irrelevant in 2021) What does creationism have to do with UFOs? And what does Piltman Man have to do with anything? Once again, are you talking about Piltdown Man and what does that have to do with UFOs? I cannot understand a single idea you are trying to communicate. I'm beginning to think you are messing with me.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Attempt again: Here is a short sociological Guess which televised show had the first ever scene that featured a black man in bed with a white woman. THe hint is that the male was James Earl Ray. What was the driver of the previously taboo presentation? Was it Captain James T Kirk, of the USS Enterprise (who was featured in a Star Trek episode doing the unprecedented: kissing a black woman, Lt. Aurora)? Nope. It was actually the 1960's couple, from New Hampshire, Betty & Barney Hill, who had a UFO abduction experience. It led to a 1974 movie, that was watched by a significant percentage of Americans. It was viral and pre internet st the same time. Kinda like the mad old Piltdown firestorm. You have an uncanny knack for trying to connect completely disconnected subjects to make some sort of obscure point that completely alludes me.
Kinda like the mad old Piltdown firestorm. Now we have creationism making hay out of the P Man hoax, and the ideological cousins, of creationism, making hay - while the sun blinds - out of the old Roswell sensation. Who are these close relatives of creationists? What Piltdown firestorm? "Now we have creationism making hay out of the P Man hoax" What are you talking about? Who are you talking about?
They seem to be the large chunk of uncritical minded UFO skeptics? They might fashion themselves as critics but there is no way one can be scientifically "critical" if there is only a selective set of incidents that are used as subjects of investigation. That is problem number 1. Who are uncritical minded UFO skeptics and what do you want them to investigate? Are they qualified to investigate whatever you want investigated?
The problem is the mockery of the scientific process generally, and the failure, on the part of the UFO skeptics, to openly disclose the pseudo scientific nature of their approach. Wait, are these skeptics trying to prove that UFOs are extraterrestrial or that they are imaginary? Why don't you just tell us the "pseudo scientific nature of their approach"?
What is your solution to the problem of unscientific techniques that UFO skeptics bring to prevent scientific inquiry? I'm sorry, but I still don't understand the problem. What unscientific techniques are you talking about? How is scientific enquiry prevented.and why is it prevented?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Oh, OK, now I get it.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
You do? Sure, conspiracy theorist who doesn't know jackshit about science or bugfuck about evidence.
Maybe I need more wine. There's always need for more wine.
To me this is just a dis-enjumbulated mess. To me, too. A total failure to communicate.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Sometimes it's hard to tell in this place if it's the post that slipped a knot or if I'm having another senior moment. Oh, you're have another senior monument.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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The Pentagon’s UFOs
How a Multimedia Entertainment Company Created a UFO News Story quote: quote: quote: quote: quote: quote: quote: So, it looks like the so-called evidence in the 60 Minutes episode were complete bullshit, not released by the Pentagon at all, but instead by the UFO nuts. And the guy, Elizondo, doesn't work for the Pentagon or AATIP, let alone manage it.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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So, you're telling me it isn't aliens? Yep, it's just UFOlogists making stuff up. Us: Where's the evidence? UFOlogists: The Pentagon has it. The Pentagon:What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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