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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Pressie writes:
The key word here is "hunting". If you're using a gun to hunt animals, it isn't that hard to keep it safe between hunting expeditions. But if, like ICANT, you're using it to blow people's heads off, it has to be handy, not safe. In our case my brother keeps his 2 hunting rifles in a police approved safe in the house where my wife and I live.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Dr.
Dr writes: jump through the right hoops, If you will check there a lot of those hoops and it is not worth it. And I suppose you want me to go through the same things to own my shotgun. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Pressie
Pressie writes: So, unless the criminals blow up the safe and are also able to open it, they won't be enabled to get hold of those hunting rifles at all. Sounds like you live in a safe area.But what would anyone want with hunting rifles? If they are hunters they would have their own weapons. Most gun crimes are committed with hand guns. Then AR15's followed by ak47's. The latter two being status weapons. But I lived in a British territory for 15 years so I know what it is to not have my guns handy but I did not feel like I needed them. There was weapons on the Island and kept at the gun range. I did go practice many times using my boss's weapons. The governor kept a weapon in his house but I don't know anybody else who did. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo
ringo writes: But if, like ICANT, you're using it to blow people's heads off, it has to be handy, not safe. I am not using my guns to blow peoples heads off. I have my guns to keep someone from blowing my head off. Big difference. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
No, no difference at all. Your guns can't prevent somebody else from blowing your head off. Your only chance is to blow his head off first. And you'd have to read his mind to know whether he was going to blow your head off. Your intention is to shoot first in case you might be shot at. I am not using my guns to blow peoples heads off. I have my guns to keep someone from blowing my head off. Big difference. I've already shown you where Jesus told you not to shoot back, much less shoot first.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
If you will check there a lot of those hoops and it is not worth it.
pay a $200 tax, fill out a few forms and undergo a back ground check, how onerous.
And I suppose you want me to go through the same things to own my shotgun.
the tax may be a bit much for an average firearm but I don't see what's wrong with the rest. I had to take 2 safety courses, submit an application, pay an application fee, undergo a background check, have a phone interview, and provide 2 references before I was issued my Possession and Acquisition License with the Restricted firearms endorsement. None of that was particularly taxing.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
ICANT writes: I gather the pun is not intended. But, yeah, our complex has been big-crime-free since it was built.
Sounds like you live in a safe area. ICANT writes: My brother goes out and hunts different types of game with his weapons.
But what would anyone want with hunting rifles? If they are hunters they would have their own weapons. ICANT writes: Yep. Melt them. Send them into the sun. Just get rid of them. Ban them.
Most gun crimes are committed with hand guns. Then AR15's followed by ak47's. The latter two being status weapons. ICANT writes: Well, the country I call home got rid of the British before I was born. My secondary home is an independent country where the Queen is head of state. Those guns are in the former. I don't have any guns in the house in the latter.
But I lived in a British territory for 15 years... ICANT writes: Yes, and?
...has not been British territory so I know what it is to not have my guns handy but I did not feel like I needed them. There was weapons on the Island and kept at the gun range. I did go practice many times using my boss's weapons. The governor kept a weapon in his house but I don't know anybody else who did. ICANT writes: May the Holy FSM touch you with a Holy Noodly Appendage.
God Bless,
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Dr
Dr writes: the tax may be a bit much for an average firearm but I don't see what's wrong with the rest. I had to take 2 safety courses, The fee would not bother me.I have had a background check. I was trained in the military. I qualified Expert with M1, 308, and 45. I still fire at the expert level meaning with my target pistol and 308 I get all bull's eye's. In fact you can cover all the holes with one hand.You are allowed to miss 4 out of 30 shots and still classify as expert. I take a refresher course every year as laws change all the time. I have trained on courses where targets appear out of nowhere and you have to choose whether to fire or not as some are friendly and others are enemies. Lots of fun. Never shot the wrong target yet. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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ICANT writes: I have trained on courses where targets appear out of nowhere and you have to choose whether to fire or not as some are friendly and others are enemies. Lots of fun. Never shot the wrong target yet. You must be great at Whack-a-Mole. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NBC News report: South Carolina woman fatally shoots escaped inmate who broke into her home
Reports vary, but the consensus seems to be that she was sleeping in her bedroom when an escaped convict still wearing jailhouse orange broke down her back door, grabbed a knife sharpener out of the kitchen, then went upstairs to the bedroom. By that time she had her gun out and ready. She fired one shot, hitting the inmate in the head. He died en route to the hospital. The woman is an example of a good guy, er, gal with a gun. What would have happened if she hadn't had a gun? Would he have killed her with the knife sharpener? Or would he have told her he needed men's clothes and to get some out? We'll never know. Of course for the woman to have armed herself so quickly means the gun wasn't in one safe and the ammo in another. The gun was already loaded and sitting in a nightstand or a bureau drawer or someplace like that, just waiting for some child or relative or friend or burglar or even herself in a depressed or unbalanced state to find it and use it. The local police chief praised the woman profusely, saying people should emulate her. That is, of course, nonsense. The woman violated one of the primary rules of gun safety by not keeping her guns and ammo locked up separately. See the Washington Post article for a more rational stance: An escaped inmate kicked down a sleeping woman’s door. But she had a gun. --Percy
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Of course for the woman to have armed herself so quickly means the gun wasn't in one safe and the ammo in another. The gun was already loaded and sitting in a nightstand or a bureau drawer or someplace like that,
that's a statement without support. We don't know the time between him entering her house to when she realized an intruder was in her house to when he got to her room and she shot him. My guns and ammo are all locked up safely and I can easily get one out and readied within 5 minutes., the WP version of the story said "moments" later a 911 call was received but who knows how long a "moment" really is.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
DrJones* writes: Of course for the woman to have armed herself so quickly means the gun wasn't in one safe and the ammo in another. The gun was already loaded and sitting in a nightstand or a bureau drawer or someplace like that, That's a statement without support. I read a number of articles, this is from Woman shoots, kills escaped inmate after he kicks down her door where Pickens County Sheriff Rick Clark is quoted saying, The victim was trapped in her home, in her bedroom. [She] was in fear for her life, she used lethal force to protect herself. Do you think it likely that she has lockboxes and keeps them in her bedroom?
We don't know the time between him entering her house to when she realized an intruder was in her house to when he got to her room and she shot him. Yeah, sure. Our escaped convict, in desperate need of clothes that aren't orange and hoping to find some that fit in a bedroom, smashes down the kitchen door and instantly alerts the residents but inexplicably decides to take his time. He saunters about the kitchen, fries an egg and makes some toast, then relaxes through a delicious breakfast. He then seeks out a weapon, but instead of using all this time to select a serious kitchen knife he takes...a knife sharpener. Then he goes into the living room, turns on the TV, and watches a Fox & Friends segment, but after a while he decides the Trump representative is never going to get around to revealing any details about the China deal, so he thought maybe it was time to go upstairs and start looking around for some clothes that aren't orange. Meanwhile, upstairs in her bedroom, the woman has had plenty of time to open her lockboxes (she always brings her lockbox keys upstairs at night - nah, just kidding, she keeps the keys underneath the lockboxes), load the gun, and stand ready in the optimum firing stance.
My guns and ammo are all locked up safely and I can easily get one out and readied within 5 minutes. I'm glad you're choosing the least unsafe method to keeping guns in the house. How many people have keys or know where the keys are or know the combo or whatever? In other words, how many people can open them? I think many people would underestimate this number, and I hear your average lockbox isn't that hard to defeat. And if it's small and not bolted down then any housebreaker would just take it and open it at his leisure. How many people know one of your passwords, at home or work, doesn't matter? For anyone where the answer is more than zero then that tells me they're insufficiently security conscious and overly trusting and should not have guns in their house, lockbox or not.
The WP version of the story said "moments" later a 911 call was received but who knows how long a "moment" really is. A "moment" is a fairly short period of time. A common example is when they ask for a moment of silence, it often ends up being around five seconds. Another common example is, "He thought for a moment before answering." --Percy Edited by Percy, : "trustworthy" => "trusting"
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Do you think it likely that she has lockboxes and keeps them in her bedroom?
why wouldn't she? that's where mine are.
Yeah, sure. Our escaped convict, in desperate need of clothes that aren't orange and hoping to find some that fit in a bedroom, smashes down the kitchen door and instantly alerts the residents but inexplicably decides to take his time. He saunters about the kitchen, fries an egg and makes some toast, then relaxes through a delicious breakfast. He then seeks out a weapon, but instead of using all this time to select a serious kitchen knife he takes...a knife sharpener. but you don't know that that is not how things went down. We don't know a lot of things about the sequence of events.
I'm glad you're choosing the least unsafe method to keeping guns in the house.
My ammo is in locked containers. My pistols are trigger locked, in locked cases in my locked safe. Rifles and shotguns are trigger locked in locked safes. I am exceeding the legal storage requirements. How can I be safer, aside from the "don't own guns" dodge?
How many people have keys or know where the keys are or know the combo or whatever? In other words, how many people can open them?
none
How many people know one of your passwords, at home or work, doesn't matter?
nobody knows my personal passwords, I'm sure the IT guys at my office have ways of overriding the passwords related to my work stuff.
A "moment" is a fairly short period of time.
indeed but there is no set amount of time for a moment. it could just be flowery language from the writer, we don't know the timeframe of events.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
DrJones* writes: Do you think it likely that she has lockboxes and keeps them in her bedroom?
Why wouldn't she? That's where mine are. Is it common for gun owners to keep their lockboxes in their bedroom? Seems a funny place to keep lockboxes, but then what do I know, I'm not a gun owner. But you're missing the point. She just happened to be in the one room in the house where the gun was when the convict broke in. How likely is that? If it had happened some other time during the day (I believe it happened before daybreak) she could as easily have been in the family room watching television. Do you think it likely she has lockboxes? Given the number of posts I've made to the gun control threads about children finding guns, I have my doubts.
Yeah, sure. Our escaped convict, in desperate need of clothes that aren't orange and hoping to find some that fit in a bedroom, smashes down the kitchen door and instantly alerts the residents but inexplicably decides to take his time. He saunters about the kitchen, fries an egg and makes some toast, then relaxes through a delicious breakfast. He then seeks out a weapon, but instead of using all this time to select a serious kitchen knife he takes...a knife sharpener. Then he goes into the living room, turns on the TV, and watches a Fox & Friends segment, but after a while he decides the Trump representative is never going to get around to revealing any details about the China deal, so he thought maybe it was time to go upstairs and start looking around for some clothes that aren't orange. But you don't know that that is not how things went down. We don't know a lot of things about the sequence of events. Yeah, we pretty much already know it didn't happen that way. According to the Washington Post article, it was a few moments after he broke in and picked up a knife sharpener that she called 911. According to the Internet, the definition of "moment" is "a very brief period of time."
I'm glad you're choosing the least unsafe method for keeping guns in the house. My ammo is in locked containers. My pistols are trigger locked, in locked cases in my locked safe. Rifles and shotguns are trigger locked in locked safes. I am exceeding the legal storage requirements. How can I be safer, aside from the "don't own guns" dodge? As I just said, I'm glad you're choosing the least unsafe method to keeping guns in the house. I hope you're telling the truth. Sorry to be skeptical, but you've read ICANT's stuff, and you've read Jar's open carry stuff, and they have me, er, gunshy whenever I see claims about how safe someone says they're being.
How many people have keys or know where the keys are or know the combo or whatever? In other words, how many people can open them?
none It is really unusual for people to be that careful and secretive and disciplined and close mouthed. I hope it's true, but it seems so similar in nature, if not the details, to ICANT's bragging. Sorry if I've let him poison the waters too much.
How many people know one of your passwords, at home or work, doesn't matter?
nobody knows my personal passwords, I'm sure the IT guys at my office have ways of overriding the passwords related to my work stuff. You are a very unusual person if you don't share passwords. Almost everyone does this for at least some accounts. For example, do you and your wife both know the password for your joint checking account? Do you use that password anywhere else? Etc...
A "moment" is a fairly short period of time.
indeed but there is no set amount of time for a moment. it could just be flowery language from the writer, we don't know the timeframe of events. A moment isn't a specific period of time, but it is a *brief* period of time. The articles were pretty clear that the escaped convict broke in, grabbed a knife sharpener, then marched upstairs, probably to find some non-orange clothes in the bedrooms. Flowery language? Seriously? --Percy
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Is it common for gun owners to keep their lockboxes in their bedroom?
I haven't done a survey but seriously, what room in your house do you spend the most time? what room are you most aware of the comings and goings? I come from a big family, there was always kids running around the house, but my parents always knew when someone was in their room when they shouldn't be.
Do you think it likely she has lockboxes?
maybe she does, maybe she doesn't we can't tell either way. It's premature for you to rail against her for being unsafe when we know only the barest of facts.
Given the number of posts I've made to the gun control threads about children finding guns, I have my doubts.
how many news stories are there about children being unable to get their hands on their parents guns and nothing untowards happens? they don't write stories when nothing happens.
Sorry to be skeptical, but you've read ICANT's stuff
yes and i think ICANT is being unsafe and irresponsible.
you've read Jar's open carry stuff,
I have no problem with legal, safe open carry. And i have no reason to think Jar is being unsafe.
It is really unusual for people to be that careful and secretive and disciplined and close mouthed
I'm a responsible adult.
You are a very unusual person if you don't share passwords
I've shared my netflix password, but thats it.
. For example, do you and your wife both know the password for your joint checking account?
I'm single and live alone.
The articles were pretty clear that the escaped convict broke in, grabbed a knife sharpener, then marched upstairs, probably to find some non-orange clothes in the bedrooms.
and without knowing how long that actually took it's premature to jump to the conclusion that she wasn't storing her gun in a safe manner.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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