For All Hallows Eve

Plain old Halloween where I grew up (Dublin), we were never big on the "cupla focal" in the Pale.
(of course it was pushed as "All saints eve/day" by the parish. We were just glad of the bank holiday)We always trick or treated and always had a bonfire with fireworks (illegally bought on Henry Street). No pumpkins (or turnips) though, that was a later affectation.Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.

T'weren't always so though, that's a very new version of it. And my point was that the imagery and intent of Mardi Gras (indulging the flesh) and Halloween as well as Dia de los Muertos (ghosts and bones/skulls) shows that they are not Christian in spirt, that's all, they are pagan. Today few remember much about their origins. (see Message 6)Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But only two of them could be said to be genuinely Christian (biblical) anyway, Pentecost and Easter (Passover), all the rest were made up by6 the Church later on.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But Pentecost and Easter were simply repurposed Jewish holidays which in turn were just repurposed harvest fests.

Passover was given by God to the Israelites some 1500 or so years before Christ, and since the New Testament is to be our source of understanding of the Old Testament, we know that Passover was always a messianic prophecy. It was finally fulfilled by Jesus on the cross as our sacrificed "Lamb of God" who "takes away the sins of the world," removing our sentence of death under the Moral Law, just as the blood of the original Passover lamb painted on the door frames protected the Israelites in the house from the angel of death.Pentecost is indeed modeled on a harvest theme, the "first fruits" of the harvest, understood in the New Testament to be symbolic of the spiritual baptism of Christ Jesus' followers, as the Holy Spirit was given to the Church on that day.In any case both are in scripture as God-given observances, and all the rest on your list are later traditions.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So? If it's what kids are doing now, does it matter what it was. My point is more describing kids eating candy and wearing a witch costume as "indulging the flesh" and "pagan" is a bit overblown.

Yawn.There never was an Exodus for the Passover story is just another fable and another adopted festival.There is absolutely no connection between Passover and any Messianic prophesy; that just more made up stuff by apologists.

You always manage to assert something that contradicts the entire history of Christian theology as developed by the best theologians. Nobody should pay the slightest attention to anything you say about Christianity, it will only mislead them, but at EvC unfortunately you can get away with it.

Where in the New Testament does it state this?

Yes, I point out when they just make shit up. Yet what I post is supported by the Bible as well as reality and not just what apologists make up.

quote:

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There's got to be a morning after
If we can hold on through the night
We have a chance to find the sunshine
Let's keep on looking for the light
-- Maureen McGovern

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It's about good triumphing over evil.

The New Testament shows more than it actually says, it's subtle and sophisticated in its teaching. The Passover is implied in calling Jesus the Lamb of God for starters, as John does frequently in his wriitings, also in any mentions of His blood as shed for us.In 1 Corinthians 5:7 Jesus is literally called "Christ our Passover."At the Last Supper, Jesus tells His disciples "This is My body which is given for you. Also, " For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. "All these identify Jesus as the Passover Lamb. Along with the fact that he was crucified on the Passover itself and so on.He was the fulfillment of ALL the animal sacrifices for sin made throughout the OT, but most particularly the Passover Lamb. Hebrews 9:12-14 describes Him as the ultimate sacrifice:

Again, those are all examples of after the fact fabrication to create a perception of some fulfilled prophecy, not of any actual fulfillment.

The trouble with literalists is that they don't know what literal means.In Corinthians, Jesus is figuratively called our Passover. When He is called a lamb, it doesn't mean that He literally has four hooves and wool. It's figurative.It means He's kinda like a lamb, He's kinda like the Passover.

I'm gonna call you on this one. Who did the fact checking? How do we know that the textual critics have ulterior motives as well? How solid is their case and who are they?