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Pressie Member (Idle past 139 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Actually, the tooth wasn't fabricated. So, what's your point?
My point is, not only was Nebraska Man fabricated on the basis of one tooth...
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
And it was not the Christian Cult of Ignorance that determined that it was not a primate but rather Science.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6031 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
In comparison, countless creationist claims and hoaxes that were literally refuted completely several decades ago are still being taught as Gospel to new converts.
Science wants to get at the truth, so it tests its results and corrects the inevitable mistakes as quickly as possible. Creationism just wants to deceive everybody into converting to its own false theology, so it tests nothing and retains its mistakes and hoaxes for eternity. That tells us everything we need to know about creationism and its associated religion.
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Taq Member Posts: 10228 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Dredge writes: The rationale for arranging them in that order is to make it look like the general theory of evolution is true - as is the wont of atheist "scientists".
So you admit that fossils look transitional?
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ringo Member (Idle past 576 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Nebraska Man and Piltdown Man were disproven by the same science that you reject. You're scoffing at the science in one breath and praising it in the next.
My point is, not only was Nebraska Man fabricated on the basis of one tooth, that tooth was very weathered and thus hard to identify. Junk science built on junk evidence, in other words.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2270 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Both Nebraska Man and Piltdown Man live on only in the minds of creationists.
These are the same creationists who believe if they can discredit Darwin in some way that will discredit his theory over 150 years later.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
A cat fossil and a dog fossil could be imagined as transitional. Nothing to do with reality, however.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
In the way of an exercise, could a flying pig be fitted into a nested hierarchy?
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Percy Member Posts: 22805 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Dredge writes: In the way of an exercise, could a flying pig be fitted into a nested hierarchy? You mean a pig with four legs but with two extra limbs growing somewhere out of its back that are wings? No. Same answer for griffins, minotaurs, dragons, cyclops, etc. --Percy
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1021 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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These are the same creationists who believe if they can discredit Darwin in some way that will discredit his theory over 150 years later. "Show us your best evidence for creation and/or a young earth." "Nebraska man and Piltdown man were hoaxes." :blink: HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6031 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Do please explain to us how that could ever be possible.
IOW, please present us with the possible nested hierarchy.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1021 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
A cat fossil and a dog fossil could be imagined as transitional. You don't know what "transitional" means, do you?
quote: quote: Since cats and dogs are both modern species, they cannot have characteristics of a derived form, they ARE the derived form. Of course, you could chose an actual transitional fossil and explain why that specimen does not have characteristics of both the proposed ancestral and derived forms. But you are not really able to do that are you? So you just stick to spouting irrelevant silliness. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1021 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
In the way of an exercise, could a flying pig be fitted into a nested hierarchy? You are the one who claims that the nested hierarchy is imaginary and any animal could be forced into a nested hierarchy by ambitious scientists. So how about you tell us where you imagine a pig with four legs and wings would fit into a nested hierarchy. There should be several places where it would fit just fine if your assertion that nested hierarchies are imaginary is correct. ABE:
Dredge writes: In others words, any creature can be fitted into a nested hierarchy - all you need is a vivid imagination and an appetite for fake science. Here's your chance to support your statement above. /ABE Where would you put a flying pig in the "tree of life"? HBD Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1569 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Since cats and dogs are both modern species, they cannot have characteristics of a derived form, they ARE the derived form. ... And they will be intermediates (transitionals) to future forms. Every individual fossil or being is intermediate between ancestor and progeny/descendant forms except those that are without progeny and the last of a population going extinct. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1569 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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A cat fossil and a dog fossil could be imagined as transitional. A cat fossil would have ancestors and be part of a breeding population that produced offspring. Therefore that cat fossil would be intermediate (another term for transitional) between the ancestral population and the descendant population. Likewise, a dog fossil would have ancestors and be part of a breeding population that produced offspring. Therefore that dog fossil would be intermediate (another term for transitional) between the ancestral population and the descendant population. By definition of what an intermediate is by evolution science, no imagination required.
quote: So here we have another teachable moment brought to you by Dredge.
Nothing to do with reality, however. Amusing how reality keeps banging you in the shins as you stumble in the dark realm of ignorance. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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