Yes I know it's complicated and that was the main point in the post I just wrote. Huge studies also are dealing with too many complications to give a reliable result though. As I said I think we get better information from small controlled studies like Esselstyn's. But I'm still going to defend the single person anecdote.
I think this is the wrong way round. Small studies as well deal with an enormous number of complications; because each individual's physiology, life history and environment is enormously complicated. There are gazillions of confounding factors even in the smallest study.
A large sample size allows us to smooth over many of these confounding factors. Confounding factors we know about can be controlled for statistically; which cannot be done in a single person study. Confounding factors we don't know about can't be - but that is the case in a small study too. If the complications affecting your result are randomly distributed, then they become less important the more people there are in your study. The noise is swamped by signal.
Yes, I know I'm bad. But if the opposition is also bad then you can choose between equal positions.
I know this is supposed to be a debate site and all that but sometimes I'm more interested in presenting information than debating it, which ought to be allowed on a Coffee House thread. If people are interested they can check it out, otherwise I'm not really inspired to try to make the EvC-certified type of case for it.
I know this is supposed to be a debate site and all that but sometimes I'm more interested in presenting information than debating it, which ought to be allowed on a Coffee House thread.
You don't have to debate. Nothing wrong with that. But this is a debate site, and people are free to comment. About 90 percent of the discussion here is you whining about other folks comments and those folks responding back.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
First, do you even have a clue what mitochondria are?
I thought that I did, but I never learned anything in science class....most of my learning *does* come from marketing and testimonials. That much I will admit. But I believe in my intuitive ability to discriminate between snake oils and valid claims.
And if you want to discuss a study then you need to provide a link to the study, not to some video or marketing piece but to the specific study.
Does anyone think that this man does not know what he is talking about or whether he has a vested interest in promoting any particular company?
Professor Garth Nicolson discusses lipid replacement therapy and what some of the results might be. He also talks about a test you can take to see if lipid replacement therapy might work for you.
I actually wrote him and am awaiting a reply.Does anyone actually doubt the credentials of Professor Nicolson?
Sometimes I think that you people are too skeptical and will end up undecided on many things due to lack of evidence. They have done the studies. There is evidence.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
The food industry needs to be cut down to human size
Just finished watching "Food, Inc" which is a pretty depressing expose of the food industry. And turns out Republicans have been responsible for a lot of the exploitation and injustice, Clarence Thomas for one and the Bushes for another. The Clintons too, however. The film ends by saying the consumer has a lot of power against all this if we'll exercise it.
Buy local Shop at farmers markets Buy organic Buy from companies that respect animals and their workers Grow your own garden
Thing is the huge money-focused companies know how to turn anything good into something questionable in order to keep making money. Monsanto shouldn't own all the soybean seeds in the nation and have the power to force independent farmers to grow only theirs. Etc. Can the consumer make a dent in their power?
Speaking of growing your own garden I wish I were a lot younger and a lot healthier and lived somewhere that allowed me to do that. I'm so impressed with Annette Larkins who started a garden in her yard in Florida decades ago and gradually started eating exclusively from her garden, eats everything raw too, and though she's at least my age, mid seventies, looks oh maybe 35. Florida being tropical she even grows her own bananas and pineapple as well as everything else that will grow there. She sprouts every kind of seed for extra nutrition. More of us should be living that way.
Canadian relatives my family visited when I was a child always had a big backyard garden, just stuffed with good stuff, every kind of green vegetabies, and berries berries berries: SO enticing.
There is evidence that sufficient studies have been done to associate fatigue and oxidation/degradation of mitochondrial membranes and to support the idea that lipids can rejuvenate themselves given a pure source.
I don't know why you want me to sift through all of these studies. Why can't I simply trust the conclusions of Garth Nicolson? As this study itself says, The author has no financial interest in any products discussed in this contribution.
I myself will determine the effectiveness or lack thereof of this product or others similar to it through testing it on myself. I'm in somewhat of a common agreement with Faith regarding the futility of trying to convince anyone around here of anything. Its likely the same reason not many of you believe in God. You are too skeptical of the information.
Granted there is a protocol used with the Scientific Method, and it is not wise to simply believe every huckster promising to cure warts...but you place far too much trust in a medical establishment that is itself ignorant and willfully uninformed as to the best approach to health. Its like my Endocrinologist. She insists that I take large doses of insulin, when in fact insulin ages the human body, has been proven to increase insulin resistance the higher it is given, and supports my taking of black boxed drugs that are stressful and harmful to the human body.
Wait until I see her on April 10th and get a good A1C reading after I have thrown away my Trulicity Medication that they have been taught to prescribe by a corrupt pharmaceutical industry.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
I'm in somewhat of a common agreement with Faith regarding the futility of trying to convince anyone around here of anything. Its likely the same reason not many of you believe in God. You are too skeptical of the information.
Wow. What an argument and accusation.
It is statements like this that make Christians not credible when they talk about their religion. What do you think is the impact of telling people about your belief in the Gospel, when they find out that you believe literally anything else without the slightest bit of evidence, and often despite the evidence.
Is that really what you believe? That Christianity is for the gullible and unquestioning?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Three clinical trials with different groups, pretty good customer reviews at Amazon, identifiable ingredients with known necessary functions in the body. Doesn't sound like snake oil to me.
Three clinical trials with different groups, pretty good customer reviews at Amazon, identifiable ingredients with known necessary functions in the body. Doesn't sound like snake oil to me.
My question was addressed to Phat's suggestion that we should not bother with the studies.
Customer reviews on Amazon? Are those even real?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I get a lot of help from customer reviews when I'm interested in ordering something from Amazon. When there are a number of similar products to choose from the reviews have often helped me find the best one for my purpose. Customer reviews are likely to be real because you can only post them under your Amazon name, the one you order with, and they show up on your own personal page. And you can only post one review per product. The more reviews the more likely you'll get a trustworthy assessment. I suppose fakes could sign up with a name for the occasion but they'd have to switch computers to do it, and how many products are they likely to shill for anyway?
My question was addressed to Phat's suggestion that we should not bother with the studies.
That's not quite what he said. He merely wanted to know why he couldn't just trust Dr. Nicholson about it instead of having to sift through a bunch of studies, and I don't see why not either. Consumers should be able to trust such sources -- at least judge for ourselves whether to trust them.
Studies are often complicated and difficult to understand and can also be misleading. PaulK put up a post about such a very complicated study. On something like cellphones causing cancer we could be misled by activists, but we aren't going to wade through all that complex discussion in any case.
But Nicholson would have to be a scoundrely iiar to be misleading us about the clinical trials and how much people in the trials wanted to stay on the product after the trial, and the benefits of the supplement. And there's nothing about him or anything he said to suggest he is a scoundrely liar.
And most of us DO read reviews at Amazon and elsewhere to help us make up our minds about a product. You'll find plenty of negative as well as positive views there.
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