"Natural" (plant-based) Health Solutions

God made us omnivores Faith, are you saying you know better?

And then punished mankind by giving him steak and fries? That's a weird one but I'm very grateful. Our origins are as hunter gatherers, it was farming that caused a movement to a more vegitarian diet in some cultures. As cultures become more wealthy they consume more meat. But we are basically omnivores and a balanced diet is what suits us best.People need to obsess less about food; if you must worry about it, simply eat a bit less (but only if you're actually overweight), eat regularly, eat less processed, ready-made food and junk drunks, eat fresh fruit, veg, meat. Shop for your on food, enjoy cooking and eating. It's only about balance and freshness - everything else is pure bullshit.

If you cherry pick the literature you'll find whatever it is you want to hear - including every fashion-based wacko diet that there's ever been. That's not the way to do research Faith.What you need to do is find the consensus over time. Not only is there a clear concesus on the balanced approach to diet, there's also an awful lot of evidence that obsessing over what we eat is harmful. Diets make us fat; some are positively harmful. Don't smoke, drink moderately, excercise a little and eat a balanced diet of fresh veg, meat, fish in reasonable quantities, don't eat much processed food and you're going to be doing all you need to do.

There's a huge amount of money to be made promoting fad diets; you'll find anything you want to believe out there. This is exactly the wrong approach to take. You're doing what you do with everything here - picking out stuff that matches your beliefs. It's all a scam Faith, all the weird and wacky stuff about diets is just snake oil. If you're really lucky it won't harm you. Stick to mainstream advice, the rest is junk promotion.

Of course you didn't have the views, otherwise why look? You were looking for something magical. Exactly, *exactly* like you did for your fundy beliefs. Because there's a huge number of people from PR motivated celebrities to plain criminals making money off the gullible. I wouldn't have objections if what you were talking about was based on substantial, medical research - not celbrity crank food fads. Get your information from decent sources not youtubes and fanatics.

Whatever you say Faith. Just make sure that whatever fad you're following this week provides the standard set of stuff you actually need to live.

Then you will be disapointed at every turn.Intelligent people are sceptical about these sorts of claims and you have a history of believing utter bullshit. You've got a credibility problem, you're searching for magical answers and you do not understand what either science or evidence actually is.But here you're referring to what appear to be actual scientific studies so you need to produce them, that's how it works. Scientists and intelligent people don't take somebody's word for such things - not even yours - they insist on seeing the work.

Instead of all this huffing and puffing, why not just find these studies?

Fair enough, but please, no more moaning about us not accepting your claims.

I just thought this statement bore some repetition.

Good grief...74 year old finds Fountain of Youth and looks 40andHow to grow microgreens in your own home and make $100k a yearDo click-bait headlines ever look spammier than that? I wouldn't even click on that let alone think it worth watching.You're quite prepared to believe utter crap like that but totally disregard real science. Critical thinking?

No we don't, that's a rediculous idea. We are omnivores, our bodies rely on us getting enough of the things we need to grow and stay healthy - carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins, fats etc etc. If we eat a varied diet of fruit, vegitables and meat we'll have everything we need and there's no need to even think about it.If we start fadding about food and cut out chunks of a normal diet or eating far too much or eating some things far more than others we're going to have problems of one sort or another.There are some people who have genetic or other conditions that means that they can't metabolise food properly and these people need supplements or other interventions but these are relatively rare and require medical advice.To mess about with weird and wonderful snake oil diets is downright dangerous.

No specific faddy diet works - they're ALL snake oil. The only thing that does work in the long run is eating less, eating better and breaking bad habbits. I know nothing about this but NHS guidance seems sensible to me

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There's nothing you can't eat if you have type 2 diabetes, but you'll have to limit certain foods.
You should:
eat a wide range of foods — including fruit, vegetables and some starchy foods like pasta
keep sugar, fat and salt to a minimum
eat breakfast, lunch and dinner every day — don't skip meals
If you need to change your diet, it might be easier to make small changes every week.

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But if it was me I'd take advice from a couple of specialists rather thatn self-medicate.

Oh well, good luck with that.

I know what you see it as Phat. But you have a better chance of being right if you go with mainstream medicine that has multiple pieces of research to support it. You're full of contradictions. If you didn't believe in luck you wouldn't gamble - you'd know the game was rigged.