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Topic: "Natural" (plant-based) Health Solutions
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NoNukes
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Message 15 of 606 (818814)
09-02-2017 11:04 PM
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I can understand that desperate people would cling to any hope, but the idea that folks would reject treatment and prefer something that they saw in a video when their life is a stake really saddens me. I wish you the best Faith. I am praying that you doctor is right and that you don't have cancer.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
Simple; he's talking bollocks. I have no idea where he got the 28% figure for all cancers from. Not that straightening this out will help a little, but Faith cited a 28% rate for colon cancer. However, that is not a good number even for colon cancer survival, which suggests that you are right. If Wark says 28%, he is not correct. Probably talking bullocks. But sadly getting the facts right just won't help.
I disagree. It's not about who you believe. It's about what the best available data shows. At least it ought to be.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 36 of 606 (818858)
09-03-2017 6:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
09-03-2017 5:32 PM
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
As NN pointed out, he did not say 28% for all cancers but only for his own stage 3 colon cancer. I also pointed out that his answer for the survivability of stage III cancer was not correct; depending on the details it is around 50-90% with treatment, which still suggests that he was wrong. I know it was in a video. But it still seems to be wrong. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 35 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 5:32 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 37 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 6:30 PM | | NoNukes has replied |
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NoNukes
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Message 38 of 606 (818861)
09-03-2017 6:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
09-03-2017 6:30 PM
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
You said "stage III cancer," Wark said "stage III COLON cancer" so did you just leave out that word? Yes, I just left on colon cancer.
Also he got diagnosed in 2003. Is your statistic recent? What you are telling me is that you yourself accepted his answer without checking. It will not be productive for us to discuss this. I know that once you've seen a video that you agree with, and once you have locked in on some anecdotes, there is no point in further discussion. I will just make you angry. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 37 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 6:30 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 39 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 6:52 PM | | NoNukes has replied |
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NoNukes
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Message 40 of 606 (818863)
09-03-2017 6:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
09-03-2017 6:52 PM
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
However, the point of my asking about how recent your statistic is, is that I would expect some improvement in chemo treatments since then. So would I. So why listen to 2003 medical advice from someone who you do not have the time or inclination to check up on? See how infuriating I am?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 39 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 6:52 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 41 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 7:10 PM | | NoNukes has replied |
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NoNukes
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Message 42 of 606 (818871)
09-03-2017 8:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
09-03-2017 7:10 PM
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
If it worked it worked. Sigh. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 41 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 7:10 PM | | Faith has not replied |
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NoNukes
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Message 43 of 606 (818872)
09-03-2017 8:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
09-03-2017 7:10 PM
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
If it worked it worked. Sigh. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 41 by Faith, posted 09-03-2017 7:10 PM | | Faith has not replied |
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NoNukes
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Message 45 of 606 (818874)
09-03-2017 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 44 by jar
09-03-2017 8:38 PM
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Re: Alternative Medicine Kills Cancer Patients
"That also assumes the guy is telling the truth, that he ever even had cancer and that he is not just another" I am convinced that he did have cancer. Here is one article discussing what was going on with Chris Wark. Yes, Chris beat cancer, but it wasn’t quackery that cured him | Science-Based Medicine
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 67 of 606 (818947)
09-04-2017 12:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 66 by Pressie
09-04-2017 8:07 AM
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Re: You think he should have been happy with 60% chance of living five years?:
We've had at least another extra ten years of having my wonderful father with us. Due to modern medicine. Your posts piss me off. She doesn't know any better. You cannot let what she says affect your day. My mom survived more than 35 years after breast cancer surgery and chemo. Nothing will replace those years for me and my family. Nothing Faith says will take a second of that away.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 74 of 606 (818963)
09-04-2017 4:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by PaulK
09-04-2017 4:40 PM
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Re: where's the moral high ground here?
out of this... Edited by NoNukes, : Pointless...
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 78 of 606 (818971)
09-04-2017 6:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by xongsmith
09-04-2017 6:13 PM
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Re: You think he should have been happy with 60% chance of living five years?:
That means that 40% DIE. Faith did not make the error. She caught an error, which Granny Magda acknowledged.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 100 of 606 (819033)
09-05-2017 11:41 AM
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I had written a long post, but it boils down to this...
Same shite, different day...
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 125 of 606 (819110)
09-06-2017 10:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 122 by Dogmafood
09-06-2017 9:49 AM
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Re: Spot the anecdote
Given that the regime he was placed on appears to be horse-caca, I am not surprised that he feels better without it. Taking tylenol, morphine, celebrex, and oxycontin sounds pretty horrendous. This guy is taking so much stuff, that it seems likely that some of the stuff was making him sick. The pain meds alone scare the crap out of me.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 130 of 606 (819130)
09-06-2017 3:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by JonF
09-06-2017 11:56 AM
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Re: Spot the anecdote
At one point they realized she was taking 40 meds and nobody could figure out why she was taking half of them. So it does happen. I am sure that it does. I'll bet some of that stuff was to treat the side effects of other stuff. Does that mean people should not take their insulin if they have diabetes? No, it doesn't.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes
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Message 143 of 606 (820152)
09-16-2017 3:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Faith
09-16-2017 2:28 AM
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Re: Module 4 is also about diet
If you need a biblical standard for meats it should be noted that God rescinded the ancient dietary laws when the gospel went out to the Gentiles, which of course He wouldn't have done if it was about health. So obviously it wasn't Do you honestly not see the gaping hole in this argument?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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