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jar Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Correct. 2 Peter was the first major crisis when Christianity had to recognize the fact that what Jesus supposedly said was simply wrong, simply false. While admitting Jesus had been wrong the author of 2 Peter created the career of the Apologist; the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain who made up stories to try to pretend the Bible stories were simply often factually wrong.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Can the hypothesis of PE be tested? I can't see how.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
A theory that can't be tested seems pretty useless.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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A theory that can't be tested seems pretty useless. Which is why creationism is useless pseudoscience. Curiously the theory of PE has been tested (see above re snails, also see Differential Dispersal Of Introduced Species - An Aspect of Punctuated Equilibrium. Another thing to look at is the geographical-temporal (space-time) matrix the fossils are embedded in and their relationship to sister populations (see Alfred Russel Wallace and Biogeography):
quote: This is known as Wallace's "Law of Sarawak" and it precedes Darwin's book. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dredge Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Curiously the theory of PE has been tested (see above re snails, also see Differential Dispersal Of Introduced Species - An Aspect of Punctuated Equilibrium. I would imagine a study of what happens within a species is hardly a valid test of PE.
Another thing to look at is the geographical-temporal (space-time) matrix the fossils are embedded in and their relationship to sister populations (see Alfred Russel Wallace and Biogeography)
A theory based on fossil evidence is a "test" for another theory based on fossils (PE)? I don't think so. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I would imagine a study of what happens within a species is hardly a valid test of PE. Except that PE is specifically about what happens in a species. I also note that you ignored the thread Differential Dispersal Of Introduced Species - An Aspect of Punctuated Equilibrium which documents several cases of rapid dispersal of introduced species into a new (to them) ecology. Starlings, for instance, are now ubiquitous in the US after a small flock was introduced in the 1890's. This would appear in a fossil record as instantaneous (geological time).
A theory based on fossil evidence is a "test" for another theory based on fossils (PE)? I don't think so. after Dawkins' "ignorance is no crime": I have been giving this a bit a thought and would like to break it down slightly differently: Five types of people that don't understand how evolution/biology/science work:
Rejecting information does not refute it, that just puts you in one of the 5 categories above. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9663 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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I think you need an additional category for those that hold a belief that makes it impossible for them to accept an idea that contradicts it.
They're not necessarily insane, not necessarily stupid or ignorant nor necessarily misinformed, they just can't allow anything to interfere with their belief. Deluded is one word for it but that refers to their belief, not to, for example dating methods or the ToE - they simply reject them out of hand.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
6. Bubble people, those that have a strongly held belief that makes it impossible for them to accept an idea that contradicts it. Such information just bounces off the bubble.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9663 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Yeh, their shields are up...
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Except that PE is specifically about what happens in a species Really? So Gould and Eldredge invented PE to explain gaps within a species? My understanding is they invented it to explain all those gaps in the fossil record. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10392 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Dredge writes: Really? So Gould and Eldredge invented PE to explain gaps within a species? My understanding is they invented it to explain all those gaps in the fossil record. Gould and Eldredge explained why evolutionary mechanisms will produce gaps in the fossil record, and the mechanisms they described are active within species. For example, if a subpopulation of a species is at the edge of its range it will experience different and more severe selection than the population found in the middle of the species' range. This causes higher rates of change in small subpopulations at the edge of a range. This faster evolving subpopulation can then replace the larger population suddenly, and if you look at the majority of the fossil record you will see a sudden replacement. All of this is change within a species. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Really? So Gould and Eldredge invented PE to explain gaps within a species? My understanding is they invented it to explain all those gaps in the fossil record. All evolution occurs at the species level because that's where the breeding populations interact with the ecological challenges. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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