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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
LOL
Keep asking really stupid questions and you might just learn. Think. Would secreting something that could be suckled as nutrition help?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
How would the production of milk evolve?
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
lol
slowly and over long periods of time. Remember milk is never a goal. And things that do not help the next generation live long enough to reproduce get eliminated. You are still thinking that milk is a goal. It wasn't.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
In other words, you have no idea how the production of milk evolved.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
"jar" writes:
What secretions other than milk are nutritious? Blood can be "secreted" in manner of speaking, but not without huge risk of infection ... and a bloody wound is a universe away from a mammary system.
Would secreting something that could be suckled as nutrition help?
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: In other words, you have no idea how the production of milk evolved. Once again you are simply showing your utter ignorance. I already explained the basics to you. Lets move slowly one small step at a time. First, you understand that milk is simply not something necessary for life? There are plants that do not need milk, fish that do not need milk, e-coli that do not need milk, birds that do not need milk and all reproduce. You do understand that?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
In other words, you have no idea how milk production evolved.
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: In other words, you have no idea how milk production evolved. Too funny. You already tried that and I pointed out that you are wrong. If you want to learn then let's try small baby steps.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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The thing about science is that it's all published. Anyone can research what is known about almost any scientific idea. These days you just type a phrase into google like the evolution of lactaion or the evolution of the mammary gland and then look for a good scientic source. Here's the first one I found The origin and evolution of lactation - PMC You'll see that it's headed The origin and evolution of lactation and it's published in the Journal of Biology which is a great start. It's also not behind a paywall and it's not highly technical. So there you go, easy. If you read that you'll find out what we know and you'll also find out that Darwin was wrong about it. (I suspect that your creationist sources picked lactation - as well as the eye - to talk garbage about because 150 years ago Darwin mentioned them. Science moves on, discovers more and knowledge increases; dumb ideas never change it seems.) What you do is read some antique garbage on a creationist web site, half understand it and post a one-liner here looking for a reaction. You're not remotely interested in what we actually know about the evolution of lactation are you? You won't even read that paper will you? You'll just bugger off without answering and return in a month spouting more bollocks about flagella or some such, having learned nothing but feeling smug inside your ignorance.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 578 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You can lick salt off your own skin. The right balance of salt in your body confers a survival advantage. How does 0.05% of a mammary system confer a survival advantage? A lot of animals groom each other and eat the bugs. That's a double survival advantage: a nutritional supplement for one and a control of parasites for the other. There are even symbiotic relationships between different species. It's a pretty simple principle really. Every little bit helps. So anything a mother produces that can help her baby survive is an evolutionary advantage. A couple of mutations here and there can make a big difference.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
"ringo" writes:
Yeah, of course it is ... for someone with a very vivid imagination.
It's a pretty simple principle really A couple of mutations here and there can make a big difference.
Darwinists have to dumb-down very complex processes in order to make them seem plausible. Without this vital concession, junk science has no chance at all of surviving. And a chunk of a reptile's jaw somehow evolved into the bones of a mammal's inner ear. Pure fiction. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Really. How does 0.05% of a mammary system confer a survival advantage? Well, more than a 0.005% of a mammary system. And, yes, a marginally better mammary system would indeed confer a better survival advantage. So just what the fuck are you arguing for?
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: And a chunk of a reptile's jaw somehow evolved into the bones of a mammal's inner ear. Pure fiction. Too funny and just another example of your willful ignorance Dredge. As soon as the answer to your last question is supplied you pretend there was no answer and try to change the subject. It is simply more evidence of the basic Dishonesty that is the foundation of Creationism.
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ringo Member (Idle past 578 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Did you read my post at all? There's nothing there that requires any imagination; it's all observed fact: salt, grooming, symbiosis. It's a very simple fact that many species get nutrition from something on another organism's body.
If I simply give spare change to the creative homeless guy spinning his sign on the corner, and if i am doing it to alleviate my conscience, perhaps I am not doing enough. Dredge writes:
Yes, it has to be dumbed down pretty far for creationists to understand it.
Darwinists have to dumb-down very complex processes in order to make them seem plausible. Dredge writes:
Science will survive with or without dumb creationists. It survived dumb flat-earthers, didn't it? There's a survival advantage to intelligence.
Without this vital concession, junk science has no chance at all of surviving.
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Aussie Member (Idle past 117 days) Posts: 275 From: FL USA Joined:
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For your sake I suggest you not proceed.... Your choice your responsibility.... no one gets away with mocking God for long...No one as in NO ONE. There is nothing more hilarious than Christians pretending to be terrorists. Faith also does it all the time. When they have no reasonable defense they pull their plastic sword and shield out of the toy box and threaten torture on everyone in their vicinity not currently agreeing with them. I call it the Fangs behind the smile. "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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