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Author Topic:   What is Creationism?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 12 of 88 (808997)
05-15-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CRR
05-15-2017 3:00 AM


Whether or not I call myself a creationist depends on who I'm talking to and what the context is.
I accept evolution and I believe in God.
I guess, technically, I'm a creationist in that I think God created this.
But I'm not a Creationists in the sense of being against evolution.
Typically, at least here, a creationist is someone who does not accept evolution because of their belief in God's creation. In that sense, I don't count.

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Message 15 of 88 (809001)
05-15-2017 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by ringo
05-15-2017 12:14 PM


Re: Source vs Content
Why would creative thought be evidence of a creator any more than any other human trait?
For me, creativity requires submission to a source that is not my self.
You gotta find that muse, and then let it speak to you.
It feels foreign.
I don't really ever feel greed or jealousy, so I dunno. Other traits just kinda come and go, but creativity requires active participation on my part.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 36 of 88 (809242)
05-17-2017 11:08 AM
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05-17-2017 5:26 AM


Perhaps then you are a theistic evolutionist like Ken Miller.
I don't know who Ken Miller is, nor do I really care about a label, but yeah - I'm a theistic evolutionist.
Do you call yourself a Christian?
Yes, I'm Catholic.
What denomination are you? How long have you been a Christian?
How long have you had a problem with evolution?
You don't really believe that the Earth is young, do you?

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Message 46 of 88 (809390)
05-18-2017 10:02 AM
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05-18-2017 9:29 AM


I'm an Anglican and lapsed atheist. The closest of the Protestant faiths to Catholicism.
Yeah, if I wasn't Catholic I'd prolly go Anglican.
I used to believe in evolution.
This is a nitpick, but I don't say that I "believe in" evolution. It's not a belief, it is the acceptance of a theory. There's a difference. I reserve belief for things that I don't have knowledge of. I know that species evolve - the ToE is just the best explanation that we have for how it happens. And I can accept that.
Is it 100% correct and complete? No, of course not. But it works well and it makes sense explaining the facts.
I stated reading Young Earth Creationist literature out of curiosity and after a while I began to realise they had valid arguments. While old earth evolutionists do have some good arguments I also think there are a lot of weaknesses in their position and overall the YEC position holds up well.
YEC is literally impossible unless god is a prankster.
The Earth appears old, very old. If it is young, then god is magically making it appear to be something that it isn't, and that would be a dirty trick.
If the evolutionists here hope to convince me they will need to lift their game.
Convincing the person you are replying to is only a small part of the game. You gotta keep the lurkers in mind, and this activity is a therapeutic honing of communication skills.

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