Will Trump fail to build "The Wall" if all 7 border Republican Reps oppose funding?

It is a gross mistake, in my opinion, to assume that any particular one of Trump's policies is popular just because a little less than half of the voters picked him to be president. Further, there are the folks who voted against Trump. If we take the hard line that the wall was what folks voted on, then we would conclude that a little over half of American voters did oppose the wall.

You seem to have an equal amount of respect for ALL voters, as if you favor mob rule. That's not how the U.S. works. (yet)

Do you wonder if ~I~ have less respect for inner city mobs who are herded like cattle to voting places, and told to vote for Democrats so they'll get more free stuff? Or for the California voters, the ONLY ones who tipped the scales so that a slight majority voted against Trump? If you're not sure, just ask!

With regard to the popularity of a "pathway to citizenship", you can find information about that yourself. No need to rely on LamarkNewAge. The polls I have seen suggest that the majority of Republicans support a 'pathway to citizenship'

Republican special interests, not Republican voters. Trump didn't campaign at all on "pathways to citizenship". Republican special interests have ways of skewing polls, especially with a rabid anti-Trump news media to help them.

Faith writes: American politics these days, and perhaps European as well, seems to be divided into two entirely separated spheres that have little or no communication between them.

Indeed. The two spheres are the Sphere of Facts and the Sphere of Conservatives.

We all know what the wall is all about, it's about basic racism against Hispanics. No one seems [to be worried] about the majority of illegal aliens who aren't crossing our southern border since they are mostly white.

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PaulK writes: Here's something to think about. A good stretch of the border between the U.S. And Mexico runs down the middle of the Rio Grande. Where would the wall be built ?

The northern border of Texas.

Concerning the Wall, since for some strange reason this is opposed by a lot of Democrats and Republicans both...

It's not opposed for "some strange reason." It's just that a lot of us are, quite frankly, sick and tired of this anti-Latinx racism and irrational denigration of undocumented immigrants -- all hiding under the veneer of national security or some such unfettered nonsense. You just need to read some of Ann Coulter's books to see that this really is about racism and the knee-jerk fear of the United States becoming largely non-white.

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You seem to have an equal amount of respect for ALL voters, as if you favor mob rule. That's not how the U.S. works. (yet)

Given that the question is about Trump being elected, something that is based on voters only, then it makes sense to talk about how people voted. I am not going to question the wisdom of your comment. I will point out that your disrespect for some voters is irrelevant. I'm not trying to get you to change your opinion. I'm just pointing out that your own opinion on these particular issues (the wall, and path to citizenship) does not match with the majority of even Trump voters.

Republican special interests, not Republican voters.

Wrong again. The polls are about what voters think. The polls I cited where from "The Hill". I don't expect you to accept that; you can do your own research to figure out where the general opinion lies. At least you might do that if you weren't just citing your own opinion.

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Given that the question is about Trump being elected, something that is based on voters only,

"Voters only", not the electoral college?

I will point out that your disrespect for some voters is irrelevant.

The process of the electoral college can be even worse than me, when it comes to disregarding mob votes.

Wrong again. The polls are about what voters think. The polls I cited where from "The Hill". I don't expect you to accept that; you can do your own research to figure out where the general opinion lies. At least you might do that if you weren't just citing your own opinion.

The general opinion was decided last November. The Constitution makes no statement about polls. I'm glad the election wasn't decided on polls, or Hillary would have won by a landslide.

And it's an incredibly stupid "solution" to their made-up problem.

Even if there was a problem a wall wouldn't solve it.

I can buy a 60 foot ladder on Amazon. And some of those many tunnels are darned impressive.

I put in some key words into google and the state of Arizona came out ontop so let us start there.

www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/arizona/president

Now Arizona is not quite your typical state as whites have a history of voting more Democratic than the national average plus it is a highly educated voting electorate.

To see the other states click on "Arizona" box (furthest left box out of 3 beside each other ) which is beside "President " box (middle box) and further right is "search by keyword " box. The other states can then be selected. The box is just above the bold black line Arizona President which is right above the exit polls data.

The first set of data shows that Trump won the Arizona male vote 53% to 40% but lost females 49% to 45%.

Since the data show that females were 51% of all voters in Arizona then that translates to a 4% Trump win according to the exit polls.

Trump actually won by 3.5% so these exit polls were pretty close (as they typically are infact quite accurate ).

Notice that the polls show 51% of Arizona voters opposed the wall while 45% supported.

Both GOP Senators oppose the wall as do the 2 Texas Senators.

( also 76% opposed deportation and only 18% supported )

Check it out!

I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this information.

"Voters only", not the electoral college?

Here is the original exchange. You tell me if the electoral college is the least bit relevant in the context of that exchange.

LNA writes: Trump started his presidency with a nation strongly opposed to his immigration policy (upwards of 80% support a pathway to citizenship as opposed to deportation while exit polls showed that 54% of American voters opposed The Wall)

marc9000 writes: I don't know where you get this stuff from, if it were anywhere near true, Trump wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the presidency.

Quite obviously you were disputing the opinions of voters as expressed by LNA and not the electoral college result. But once called on your statement you try to move the goal posts into some other direction.

Have you been following the discussion?

Faith figured out that someone has views (relative to what one assumes that the American people think about The Wall) greatly at odds with the actual factual situation.

They find it hard to believe that 54% of American voters opposed The Wall.

The data tell us one thing (as I showed) but Faith feels that logic alone contradicts the Exit Polls.

The logic is that since Trump is President then the voters simply must agree with him when he proposed The Wall.

I would respond with a point that he only got 46.1% of the vote so 54% opposing his candidacy would be 100% consistent with the same 54% that opposed The Wall.

You ask what you can do with the data from Arizona. The exit polling data show us not only what the actual voters thought about the specific immigration/The Wall policies, but also which candidates the specific voters (specific to their support or opposition of specific immigration policy including The Wall )supported and it goes into archaeological detail.

Also be aware that 51% opposed The Wall in Arizona which happened to match the percentage of voters who voted against Trump.

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Have you been following the discussion?

Yes but you posted a general reply and didn't quote anyone, so pardon me for just seeing random data posted.

Faith figured out that someone has views (relative to what one assumes that the American people think about The Wall) greatly at odds with the actual factual situation. They find it hard to believe that 54% of American voters opposed The Wall. The data tell us one thing (as I showed) but Faith feels that logic alone contradicts the Exit Polls.

Exit Polls don't tell you the factual situation on what Americans in general think. They tell you what Americans who answer Exit Polls think.

Trump supporters aren't the Exit-Poll type, so I would expect the results to be skewed.

The logic is that since Trump is President then the voters simply must agree with him when he proposed The Wall.

Well that's just bad logic.

I would respond with a point that he only got 46.1% of the vote so 54% opposing his candidacy would be 100% consistent with the same 54% that opposed The Wall.

What a coincidence.

You ask what you can do with the data from Arizona. The exit polling data show us not only what the actual voters thought about the specific immigration/The Wall policies,

I think you're putting too much faith in the exit polls. It's based on 1729 respondants. There's 5.5 million people in Arizona.

You're assuming that 0.03% of the population accurately reflects the whole group. I don't think it does because, as I said, Trump supporters aren't the Exit-Poll type.

Also be aware that 51% opposed The Wall in Arizona which happened to match the percentage of voters who voted against Trump.

Color me unimpressed - that seems to be a mere coincidence.

What do you think of the El Chapo Act? What I'd like to know is, where is that money right now? Does the U.S. government have it? Does Mexico have it? Is it spent already? If so, what will it be spent on? I'd expect these answers to be on the news, prominently. But with today's news, fat chance.

Sounds good on paper, though I can't really read through that site right now. Good questions.

Every day I wish I was dead, for at least part of the day after reading the news -- or a political thread at EvC. I usually find some reason to prefer to stay alive but it's touch and go these days. And I worry about the deluded people too. If this isn't yet the official End of Days, how far off can it be?

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You've nothing to worry about - sorry, look forward to in your case - the end days were supposed to happen within a generation of your guy's death. Didn't happen. It's a couple of thousand years too late so I reckon we're safe. Sorry - I reckon you'll have to live with your disappointment like all the 'end of the word is nigh' loons that went before you.

Every day I wish I was dead, for at least part of the day after reading the news -- or a political thread at EvC. I usually find some reason to prefer to stay alive but it's touch and go these days.

You may be going through clinical depression. I'd get that checked out tbh.