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Tangle Member Posts: 9634 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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CRR writes: The evolutionary god of selection is long dead. You finally said something we all agree with.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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CRR writes:
You finally said something we all agree with. The evolutionary god of selection is long dead. The irony......it burns like a redhot poker.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tangle Member Posts: 9634 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Dedge writes: The evolutionary god of selection is long dead. What is your alternate explanation for the selection demonstrated by the peppered moth example? Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2567 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
What is your alternate explanation for the selection demonstrated by the peppered moth example? Try reading the first line of my post Message 240quote:
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Creationists readily accept that selection happens. This is a bit of overstatement. At least one regularly posting YEC proponent thinks that selection isn't real. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Tangle Member Posts: 9634 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
CRR writes: Try reading the first line of my post Message 240 Then why post this crap?
quote: Creationists readily accept that selection happens. That simply isn't true is it? Why not ask the guy you were replying to.
Selection by itself produces nothing new but it can produce a change in the frequency in existing traits in the population over time. Equivocation. It can do that, it can also select for beneficial mutations as demonstrated rather beautifully in the peppered moth work. Your fox has been shot. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Davidjay ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 2654 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Peppered moth Lie, is just a color change and as we know or any geneticist knows or any elementary biologist knows, a color change does not mean there has been evolution changing one species into another.
Evolutionists are so desperate for proofs and all they have is color change, and inbreeding after all these years. They are pathetic to say the least.... and desperate as ever.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Peppered Moth Overview
Explanation:
quote: Genetics:
quote: Creationist Facepalm : EPIC!
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Davidjay ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 2654 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Change of color is mere color change just as with the human population where color change or race difference does not produce a different species. Humans whether black or white or peppered is not a proof of evolution.
Come on evolutionists you are embarassing yourselves again..... and agin. You have only two supposed proofs of evolutionary change, color change and inbreeding. Both have been shown to be lies and non proofs of desperate evolutionists. (Remember if you state that humans are different when their color changes, then you in your inconsistencies and falsities prove again that evolution would therefore be a racist doctrine. No blacks and whites are equal and equally human. Color change is superficial and is not some kind of evolutionary beneficial mutation that makes one human different from other humans.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1730 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Peppered moth Lie, is just a color change and as we know or any geneticist knows or any elementary biologist knows, a color change ... Means a different phenotype.
... does not mean there has been evolution changing one species into another. and people educated in evolution know that evolution is not "changing one species into another" but that the process of evolution involves changes in the composition of hereditary traits, and changes to the frequency of their distributions within breeding populations from generation to generation, in response to ecological challenges and opportunities for growth, development, survival and reproductive success in changing or different habitats. Changes such as the emergence of new color phenotypes, which are then challenged to survive and reproduce. This is basically a two-step feedback response system that is repeated in each generation:
Like walking on first one foot and then the next. As such the Peppered Moths are an example of selection based on differences in phenotypes. This of course annihilates your thesis -- as do several other examples posted on this thread -- and it seems your only response is to lie and misrepresent reality.
Evolutionists are so desperate for proofs and all they have is color change, and inbreeding after all these years. They are pathetic to say the least.... and desperate as ever. Stop lying Davidjay. You have lost this debate too, failing to debunk the "Evolutionary God of 'Selection' " or even make a half-hearted attempt at it. What is pathetic is someone who loses a debate and cannot admit it nor learn anything from it. Perhaps it is time to put this thread in summary mode, seeing as you fail to defend your thesis and have nothing to add to it. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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CRR Member (Idle past 2567 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Creationists readily accept that selection happens. ... The evolutionary god of selection is long dead. Tangle, if you think there is a contradiction between the first and last sentences of Message 240 try reading (and understanding) the bit in between.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2567 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
The peppered moth is an example of equivocation used by evolutionists.
Evolution is true because we have witnessed evolution in the Peppered Moth.implying that [All living forms have come from a single common ancestor] is true because we have witnessed [a change in frequency of existing traits in a population over time] in the Peppered Moth. This equivocation may not be intentional in many cases but the listener is led to believe that one follows from the other. This is a problem with the word having such a wide range of meanings. Yes the Peppered moth shows evolution in the second sense but not in the first. The responsibility lies with the evolutionists to disambiguate the word "evolution".
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jar Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
CRR writes: [All living forms have come from a single common ancestor] is true because we have witnessed [a change in frequency of existing traits in a population over time] in the Peppered Moth. No one but you made such a silly assertion. Just more misrepresentation from Creationists as always.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9634 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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CRR writes: The peppered moth is an example of equivocation used by evolutionists.Evolution is true because we have witnessed evolution in the Peppered Moth. implying that [All living forms have come from a single common ancestor] is true because we have witnessed [a change in frequency of existing traits in a population over time] in the Peppered Moth. Why do creationists have to lie like this? It's a very unChristian trait. Biologists use the peppered moth as a clear example of all the core aspects of evolutionary theory - descent with modification driven by natural selection. Added to which we now have the new knowledge that the modification of the phenotype was caused by a mutation that was beneficial. It's primarily a teaching aid, it's only brought up here because we're dealing with people with childlike misunderstandings of basic biological processes.
This equivocation may not be intentional in many cases but the listener is led to believe that one follows from the other. This is a problem with the word having such a wide range of meanings. More bullshit. No one but those desiring to be is misled by these terms.
Yes the Peppered moth shows evolution in the second sense but not in the first. The responsibility lies with the evolutionists to disambiguate the word "evolution". Even more bullshit. The ToE does not say that all life comes from a common ancestor, let alone the case study of the peppered moth. Why keep lying when we've explained this over and over?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Davidjay ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 2654 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
The old peppered moth observation way back in the fifties or sixties, is an adaption ability of the Lord for these moths.
Its not proof of evolution, not a cornerstone, not some awesome revelation for evolutionists to worship. Get real, its a selected color change.... by a brilliant God for these moths. No different than camoflage skins or hair etc on different animals.... spots on snakes etc etc etc.... underbelly colours on fish to hide them from predators below, etc etc etc etc... For if we want to really discuss animal abilities and gifts of God, consider chameleons, and how they can change their colours... Did they get magic mutations to give them this ability ? Obviously not. Did a bunch of chemicals get together and select their compositions to mentally connect up with their nervous systems to change their colours. Did fire flies, get their cold heat and light by accident and just retain them afterwards because fewer predators could see them NO, Did the Lord give them this absolutely amazing ability and light to be seen by us and other fire flies... YES. Mystery solved, so forget these pepered moths as if they are a great revelation of truth by evolution to the world, in evolution showing its magnificience Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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