I'm sure God knows exactly what is going on in the rape victim and has all kinds of comfort to offer, as well as justice, but he can't do anything to help someone who is yelling at him and calling him names. Asking for help would be a start.
Yes, I'm sure He does know what He's doing. I can't imagine a more healing balm for the victim of sexual violence that making her spend the rest of her life with her rapist. His mercies are new each morning. Amen. It's the same kind of horrible advice you get from reading the Book of Proverbs, like where it suggests if you have an eating disorder, the best thing to do is to commit suicide by slitting your own throat. Do you really think we should ask this fount of "Wisdom" for help? Are you serious?
Aussie writes: Do you really thing we should ask this fount of "Wisdom" for help?
Which fount are you referring to? Perhaps a better question is this: Should we discriminate on our sources for wisdom? Is there a standard for wisdom? Does human psychology come with a manual?
I'm referring mockingly to the self-professed source of all Wisdom that is the God as described in the Bible. The one that gives such horrific advice as to suggest that the best thing that a human with an eating disorder can do is to commit suicide by slicing their throat open with a sharp knife, as advocated in Proverbs.
And YES!!! Yes, we absolutely should "discriminate on our sources of wisdom." Are you kidding? Was this a serious question, Phat?
Do you really need a manual to understand that suicide is horrible advice? Would you EVER trust ANY manual that gives such epically absurd suggestions...?
except that all you are really attacking is the God of Calvinism. Philosophically, we can either create a better model or discard the model entirely. I prefer the former.
Not really. I despise the Calvinistic monster as advocated by your buddy R.C. Sproul, a local area pastor here until recently.
I attended his church on several occasions. The last time I went was on an Easter morning service where he was preaching on the torments of Hell (ON EASTER MORNING???) Over the course of his sermon he made a couple of jokes on hell that made the audience chuckle. I never went back. Either he didn't really believe in the Hell he was warning of, and he understood what a sick joke it is; or he DID believe in hell, and thought the torture chamber was something to laugh at. Either way, I left sickened.
I can also attack the meek and mild and merciful Jesus, as described in the New Testament, that would commit to Eternal flame anyone who dared oppose Him.
A wide swath of society has already created a much better moral model than this barbarism.
Which brings up the questions again. What are we opposing? Are you actually opposing what was literally written or are you opposing what people have taken it to mean? Im interested what model it is that this wide swath has found. So far, the jury is still out on whether the broad path ie wide swath is the better route.
I apologize to the forum for starting to drag the thread off-topic. But Space Age humans advocating Dark Age morality is a pet peeve. Phat, if you can't figure out that humanity is better off now than say, a thousand years ago, you are lost. The modern, Western Judicial system versus the Dark or Medieval age justice... the "Jury" is not actually still out. I refer you to the US Constitution as a starting point.
In an attempt to tie this back to the topic, It has been clear to me for a while that the Bible itself has been a source of horrific racism. It is all about dividing apart; separating humans from each other. Cain vs. Abel; Noah's family vs. the rest of humanity; Abraham from the Chaldeans; Isaac vs, Ismael; Israel vs the rest of the world. The God of the Old Testament was racist enough to mandate the genocide of the Canaanites. Genocide is another of my pet peeves. The mind-set that imbued Israel as described in the OT was one of cultural and moral superiority to the surrounding nations to the point that it was fine to simply slaughter their entire populace wholesale. THAT is freaking racism. I find it troubling that silly Christians constantly reference Adolf Hitler, and utter the word Holocaust when the Germans committed genocide against the Jews; yet read the Book of Joshua, and make their children sing songs praising The Conquest when Israel committed Genocide against the Canaanites.
How is this complicated? Racism is evil. All racism, even Biblically mandated racism.
Even in the New Testament where believer's are taught to pretend they are different; that they are magically special.
"In the World, but not of the World"
"Come out from among them, saith the LORD, and be ye separate; and touch not the unclean thing."
"But YE are a CHOSEN generation; a ROYAL priesthood; a HOLY nation; a SINGULAR people."