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ringo Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
If your "explanation" doesn't explain non-sedementary layers, then it isn't an explanation.
No.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18058 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
quote: So, the "first stage" didn't produce the sediments you would expect from flooding, instead it looks like sea level rises over a very long period of time. Why would it do that ? Or are you suggesting that the first stage took tens or even hundreds of thousands of years ?
quote: Not exactly. In any vertical section the law of superposition is followed for obvious reasons. In fact it is probably better to say that the layer was NOT simultaneously deposited - the base of the stratum in one place may have been deposited later than the base in another.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So the meanders were cut after most of the Flood had drained away, leaving flat plains in some areas, across which some streams continued to flow, such as the Kaibab Plateau. the meanders are all far to the East in the canyon, right?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't claim I have to see living dinosaurs, the bones are good enough evidence for their existence in the past. Why?
But there is nothing IN the past to verify your theory of the isotopes. What is there in the past to verify your dinosaurs theory?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So the meanders were cut after most of the Flood had drained away, leaving flat plains in some areas, across which some streams continued to flow, such as the Kaibab Plateau. the meanders are all far to the East in the canyon, right? So you're willing to claim that a meander that deep and wide could have been incised by ordinary non-magical water in a mere 4000 years?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think a lot less than 4000, maybe even less than a hundred.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But there is nothing IN the past to verify your theory of the isotopes. Actually, it does turn out that there is evidence of what decay rates were in the past. SN1987 for example gives us current visual evidence of what decay rates were 160,000 years ago. Polonium halo rings tell us about decay rates millions of years ago. Either of those data points is long enough ago to provide evidence of the constancy of decay rates over a period well in excess of the mere 10,000 years needed to discredit flood dates and a Creation week of the type that you insist on. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I think a lot less than 4000, maybe even less than a hundred. Then you don't get to say that it's "absurd" to think that the Grand Canyon could have been carved in millions of years.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't think that river could have carved out the BREADTH of that canyon even in a million years. It might cut down fairly deep.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The point is, as long as you have no way of actually seeing into the past, all your dates are guesses about how long anything would have taken in reality. Tou only have today's rates to extrapolate from. I agree it seems quite reasonable but reasonable isn't proven.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't think that river could have carved out the BREADTH of that canyon even in a million years. It might cut down fairly deep. But the breadth is just a function of the depth, and of the physical properties of the rock.
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jar Member (Idle past 162 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The point is, as long as you have no way of actually seeing into the past, all your dates are guesses about how long anything would have taken in reality. The point is that those who are honest and not willfully ignorant do have many different ways to see into the past, in fact into the far distant past of billions of years ago. It is only the willfully ignorant, the dishonest and the deluded that are unable to see into the past. And no, the reality is that it is not just guesses. It is the result of evidence, observation, honesty and attention to detail.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The point is, as long as you have no way of actually seeing into the past, all your dates are guesses about how long anything would have taken in reality. "As you have no way of actually seeing into the past, your dinosaur theory is a guess about how we got all those fossils."
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2429 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The point is, as long as you have no way of actually seeing into the past, all your dates are guesses about how long anything would have taken in reality. But we do have ways to see into the past! Archaeology, geology, paleontology, sedimentology, genetics, and many other fields let us do just that! And the information from these fields forms a comprehensive picture of the past. This is not a wild-ass guess.
Tou only have today's rates to extrapolate from. And that's enough to show that the rates are constant. If you want to show that the rates vary all over the place, it is up to you to prove it. At this point all you have is belief and wishful thinking.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As you have no way of actually seeing into the past, your dinosaur theory is a guess about how we got all those fossils." That's true. Everything in the past is a matter of interpretation. The advantage we believers in the bible have is that we actually have a document that describes an event in the past. You guys have nothing but guesses.
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