The TRVE history of the Flood...

We see the past, and very well.Certainly enough to know there was no global flood during human history.

Any global flood ca. 4350 years ago has been disproved.My own archaeological and genetic research alone disproves a flood at that time, and my colleagues all over the world and going back upwards of 200 years have conclusively disproved a global flood at that time.

Faith puts the flood in the distant past, at the K-T boundary, the P-T boundary or even earlier.Biblical scholars tend to place it around 4350 years ago, while DavidJay has an "exact" date of something like 4348 years ago.When do you place it?

But you use rubber-band years, and attribute to the flood some events that are dated back to the K-T and P-T boundaries or beyond. The Grand Canyon was likely started something like 70 million years back, but you attribute that to the flood. And if I remember correctly (it may have been someone else) don't you attribute continental movements to the flood or post-flood era? Pangaea started to break up about 140-150 million years ago.So if you claim to be using 4300-4500 years ago, your years are rubber-band years without any detectable association with reality.

Yes, you have to reject all dating methods, as otherwise they disprove your claims. As I noted above, the Pangaea breakup was about 175 million years ago. So, you have humans running around at and before that date.And as Wiki notes: The nearly 40 major sedimentary rock layers exposed in the Grand Canyon and in the Grand Canyon National Park area range in age from about 200 million to nearly 2 billion years old.So, you have to claim that humans were around some 2 billion years ago. That's quite a stretch for 4350 years!No wonder you have to reject all dating methods!

Actually, the "Geo Time Scale" holds up quite nicely, as do the various forms of dating that support both it and numerous other fields of science.It is the young earth belief that does not hold up to scrutiny.

How can you reconcile that date with the fact that we have archaeological evidence for that date showing no flood features, showing continuity of human cultures from before and after that date, and we have genetic patterns that are the same from before to after that date? And this is from my own archaeological research.And my colleagues around the world have produced the same evidence thousands of times over.

The evidence shows that's incorrect.The breakup of Pangaea started some 175 million years ago.

If you are placing the dividing of the continents 109 years after the flood, the Atlantic Ocean gap would have had to spread 1 mile per year between then and 1492 when major European exploration began--and then it would have had to stop abruptly!What mechanism accounts for this?

So, no mechanism, just magic, eh?"Goddidit" is not a very satisfying or convincing argument...

But not to our own facts.And the facts show there was no worldwide flood during historic times.

But to creationists years are like rubber bands--stretch them any old which way to make things come out right.Pangaea breaking up at 175 million years before humans were around? No problem.Some creationists even put the flood at the P-T boundary, over 250 million years ago.

As you can see by reading earlier posts in this thread, some posters feel that belief and scripture supersede scientific evidence.

The dating issue convincingly shows that your beliefs are wrong.You have nothing but your beliefs to counter multiple forms of dating that all point to the same thing.This is the problem of evidence vs. biblical belief: in other words, science vs. anti-science. Once again you come down on the side of anti-science.

Except that when dated those layers and their fossil contents are separated by millions or hundreds of millions of years.That's why you have to dismiss the dating issue (based on belief, not on evidence). The dating shows that your global flood scenario during historic times could not have occurred.Edited by Coyote, : spelling