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Author Topic:   What's the difference between Islam and Radical Islam?
Faith 
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Message 5 of 154 (799338)
02-09-2017 11:20 AM
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02-08-2017 5:49 PM


Radical Islam is the most natural reading of the written holy books of Islam, so that violent jihad is easily justified.
I gather some sects spiritualize those readings so that jihad is not a violent attack on others.
Some Muslims either don't know or don't follow the violent parts of their holy books.
But the violence is always there in writing for whenever a person may happen to become indoctrinated to it, that is, "radicalized."
In a way it doesn't matter how many Muslims follow the radical teachings at any given time; the leaders will always be there to promote violent action or whatever it takes to rule over a nonMuslim country when they have the power to do so, and the people will follow them.
That's how I understand it.
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Message 19 of 154 (801578)
03-08-2017 5:07 AM


Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Some videos that may cast some light on the true nature of Islam:
A short history of Islam, by Brigitte Gabriel; how it became violent and its violent history since then. First six minutes up through the Crusades. About 9:50 on the counter she talks about how there is today a true Islam that is violent, those who follow the true Islam of Mohammed are violent. The Wahhabis, and now ISIS is the true inheritor of true Islam, resurrected the Califate which had lasted 1400 years, ending in 1924. Saudi oil and the Ayatollah Khomeini resurrected it. ISIS is its latest form.
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David Horowitz confronts a Muslim audience member at UCB: She affirms her support of terrorist organizations and the plan to kill Jews:
ABE: Ooo, forgot to mention she announced their annual "Hitler Youth Week." Woops. Why are our universities allowing such things> Milos Yiannopolis is persona non grata but Hitler Youth Week is OK? Of course just the fact that she endorses terrorist organizations and the statement that it's good if all the Jews are in Israel so they can be wiped out all at once -- to my mind that should get her prosecuted right there./abe
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Bill Warner has many videos up about Islam too. This one is fairly short, his response to the proposal to vet the Muslim refugees. About 2:10 he lists everything about Shariah law that we need to say no to; From about 3:17 he spells out an oath he thinks should be taken by Muslims seeking to enter the US, which he thinks would be more of a protection of American security than the way things are now:
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Message 22 of 154 (801590)
03-08-2017 8:48 AM
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Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
I wondered about that too, Phat, but then it occurred to me if they take an oath and violate it they can be prosecuted, maybe even deported.

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Message 34 of 154 (801614)
03-08-2017 1:50 PM
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03-08-2017 1:17 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
She's right, Wahhabiism and ISIS represent the true Islam of Mohammed.; She made the point. Most sane people know this already.
Oh, too bad I missed Horowitz's clever characterization, and of course he's right, "Justice in Palestine Week" promoted by the MSA is certainly well translated as "Hitler Youth Week." Clever of him.

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Message 36 of 154 (801619)
03-08-2017 2:01 PM
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03-08-2017 1:57 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Obviously you didn't bother to listen to her talk.

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Message 37 of 154 (801621)
03-08-2017 2:02 PM
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Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Only a leftist character assassin would call him a liar and a bigot.

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Message 41 of 154 (801629)
03-08-2017 2:09 PM
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03-08-2017 2:03 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
As she recounted the history -- and you can get this history in many places, she didn't make it up -- go listen to the first few minutes where she says the first twelve years of Islam were peaceful because Mohammed couldn't get more than a few family members to buy it. Then he got the bright idea of getting Jews to accept it, so he said nice things about the Jews, called them the People of the Book, and he added stuff to the Koran from the Old Testament, also added some Jewish laws to his religion, such as not eating pork, praying twice a day, fasting on a special religious holiday etc. Trying to make it appeal to the Jews of the city of Medina. When they refused it he slaughtered them. He went on slaughtering. That's how Islam became a religion of hating Jews and Christians, turning them into dhimmis etc. You really should learn a few things about Islam.
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Faith 
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Message 45 of 154 (801640)
03-08-2017 2:36 PM
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03-08-2017 2:24 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Fake news there. Telling the truth, and resisting the Muslim narrative does not recruit Muslims, it gets them to back off. You guys are such patsies.
I don't think "innuendo" is the word for what Horowitz did. But what he did was truthful, unlike the anti-Christian stuff you are talking about. It was truthful and clever, and even funny.

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Message 46 of 154 (801642)
03-08-2017 2:38 PM
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03-08-2017 2:20 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
You are the one who is making shit up as usual. As I said her account is well known. You need to learn a few things about Islam.

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Message 47 of 154 (801643)
03-08-2017 2:39 PM
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03-08-2017 2:20 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Wow is that a piece of crapola. Where is your evidence by the way?

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Message 51 of 154 (801661)
03-08-2017 3:46 PM
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03-08-2017 2:41 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
The standard histories of Islam are false, whitewashed. Gabriel's verslon is severely shortened but it doesn't leave out anything important. The history of Islam is one long jihad. We fool ourselves if we think they are willing to live and let live. As always, from the beginning, they seek the subjugation or death of nonMuslims. Funny, the evidence is everywhere and yet westerners deny it. Weird.

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Message 52 of 154 (801662)
03-08-2017 3:47 PM
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Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
They told you the nice stuff, or made it up, and left out the endless ongoing kidnapings, rapes, murders and do on.

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Message 54 of 154 (801664)
03-08-2017 3:52 PM


This is too much for anyone to be willing to listen to, and since a lot of it is Warner's own research I'm not going to vouch for it, but he covers a lot of history in very specific detail, the conquests of city after city after city for instance. He's read up on all of them, every individual case, and boiled it all down to one linear history of Islam in its relentless conquests, which are continuing today. He debunks the Golden Age.
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Message 56 of 154 (801666)
03-08-2017 3:56 PM
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03-08-2017 3:52 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
I know how it is true, but there was nothing to show, what I posted is all there was. But I understand the history of Palestine and the Muslim lies that oh so many leftist patsies believe.

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Faith 
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Message 59 of 154 (801683)
03-08-2017 11:41 PM
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03-08-2017 4:09 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
I know how it is true, but there was nothing to show, what I posted is all there was.
How do you know it is true, then?
What I posted did not include Horowitz's comment about Hitler Youth Week.
I know a lot about the situation in Palestine that makes his comment appropriate.
But I understand the history of Palestine and the Muslim lies that oh so many leftist patsies believe.
In what way is this specific group like the Hitler Youth so much that characterising it as 'Hitler Youth Week' is not, in fact, slanderous and filthy lies - to use your terminology.
Hitler was supported by Arabs in the Middle East. Is that news to you?
There is no such thing as a Palestinian people. That was an invention pasted onto the refugees that left Israel when the Arab nations warned them they were going to attack. The refugees had come from all over the Middle East to work in Israel, they were not "Palestinians" until there was a political reason to call them that in order to try to discredit Israel. Israel won the war as it's won all its wars since becoming a state. That left the refugees outside with no place to go. They could of course have been absorbed into other Arab nations, but that wouldn't have served the project of discrediting Israel. So nobody would take them in. They've been left there, with a bogus history spun around them as "Palestinians" to be a thorn in the side of Israel. They are pawns of the Arab nations.
Their goal is and always was to annihilate Israel. It fits with their support of Hitler. "Hitler Youth" works fine as a term for a student organization about "justice" in "Palestine" that of course supports all the fake history I just recounted.
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