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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
none of this will matter when the oceans food chain collapses.
"With higher metabolic rates in the warmer water, and therefore a greater demand for food, there is a mismatch with less food available for carnivoresthe bigger fish that fisheries industries are based around," says Associate Professor Nagelkerken. "There will be a species collapse from the top of the food chain down." https://phys.org/...0-global-marine-analysis-food-chain.html When this happens the planet will starve to death, triggering the greatest mass extinction not seen in this world for 60 million years. This has already begun. The oceans are becoming more acidified as they absorb excess CO2. I just finished reading The Sixth Extinction, An Unnatural History by Elizabeth Kolbert and it documents the extinction event that compares with the great extinction events that mark the major changes in the history of life. Humans have an impact on the planet that is unprecedented in the last 65 million years. The attempts by the Whitehouse and Congress the dismantle all the agencies that might be able to discover methods to stop or slow down the destruction of the ecosphere are perplexing and insane. It is like celebrating our own demise.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
HR 621 & HR 622 were different but equally crazy bills. Looks like both have been withdrawn. Maybe a slight nod to sanity. How can you tell they've been withdrawn? The link below does not show any action since 1/24/17 Actions - H.R.622 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Local Enforcement for Local Lands Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I was reporting what was said in quotes attributed to him. I will try to find the news stories again.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I was reporting what was said in quotes attributed to him. I will try to find the news stories again. Got it. With that information, statements that Chaffetz was withdrawing the HR 621 were easy to find. I did not find similar information for HR 622 and I did find several articles suggesting that the bill to remove BLM and other federal law enforcement has not been withdrawn. Rep. Chaffetz withdrawal of federal land transfer bill marks victory for outdoor industry, conservationists, public lands advocates who vow to continue fight
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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House committee votes to eliminate independent election commission
I realize this is just a committee vote right now, but we can expect to see red states pass all sorts of new voter registration laws that (Surprise, Surprise), purge the roles of poor, black, Latino, and other minority voters and making it more burdensome and difficult to register. They keep trying to make it difficult to vote in some areas, also.
quote: Trump and some of the Republicans think that millions of undocumented aliens, none citizens, care more about America than about half of the citizens, who are qualified to vote. That's 50% of qualified Americans didn't vote or are not even registered to vote.
MILLIONS OF MEXICAN NON-CITIZENS ARE VOTING (what Trump says), WHILE 20 TIMES MORE AMERICAN CITIZENS REFUSED TO VOTE (what that would mean). So, Are Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the Republican Congress going to protect the voting rights of millions of qualified voters who want to register and who want to vote or are they going to ignore or encourage the barriers to voting that red states have and plan to enact? Edited by Tanypteryx, : added title.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So, Are Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the Republican Congress going to protect the voting rights of millions of qualified voters who want to register and who want to vote or are they going to ignore or encourage the barriers to voting that red states have and plan to enact? I believe the SCOTUS is going to take up a case on gerrymandering.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1109 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
Things like this gerrymandering are why politicians are despised. Other than a naked power grab, what would be the justification for the latest districting?
To me, the party (neither are pure in this) drawing these districts is saying three things:1. We want to be in power (fine, that's the point of the political party). 2. Our policies, actions, etc. won't win the majority of voters. 3. We won't adjust our policies, actions, etc. to win the majority because we are right not the voters. North Carolina's congressional districts - Wikipedia The NC districts for 1973-1982 seem to be the most reasonable. Does anyone know what happened between then and now that produced the travesty of the current districting? Is it just that computer data mining is so detailed now that it supports the wishes of the politicians to split the voters so finely?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The NC districts for 1973-1982 seem to be the most reasonable. Does anyone know what happened between then and now that produced the travesty of the current districting? Is it just that computer data mining is so detailed now that it supports the wishes of the politicians to split the voters so finely? Two things: republican take over of state house and senate and governor and new census giving new population data. The latter usually triggers district adjustments not wholesale revisions.
To me, the party (neither are pure in this) drawing these districts is saying three things: 1. We want to be in power (fine, that's the point of the political party). 2. Our policies, actions, etc. won't win the majority of voters. 3. We won't adjust our policies, actions, etc. to win the majority because we are right not the voters. The minimal good I can see from SCOTUS is the requirement for an independent bi-partisan board to do districting. The maximal good I can see would be a requirement that districts should proportionally reflect the people of the state -- ie population is 10% black districts should have 10% black elected representatives. Of course this would also mean 1/2 representatives should be women ... My own opinion is that state/federal representatives should be chosen by lottery from the voting public and it should be considered civic duty (like jury duty) to serve 2 years and then return to previous job (like national guard returning from oversea assignments). It might (might) make people more attentive to the political issues. I also think that the two senators for the state should be elected by ranked voting of all candidates and the two ending up with the most votes are elected. One can hope. Probably too rational ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Riggamortis Member (Idle past 2390 days) Posts: 167 From: Australia Joined:
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My own opinion is that state/federal representatives should be chosen by lottery from the voting public and it should be considered civic duty (like jury duty) to serve 2 years and then return to previous job (like national guard returning from oversea assignments). It might (might) make people more attentive to the political issues. I'm more a fan of the idea of merging direct democracy with representative democracy. Basically what we have now but with a mechanism for the public to vote directly on important/contentious issues annually. The public vote doesn't necessarily have to be the final say, we could have the public vote count for 50% of the total vote and the reps vote count for the other 50% for example. This would give the public a way to measure how well their reps are actually representing them and the reps a good measure of public opinion. It would also give the general public more reason to pay attention to political issues and a greater feeling of involvement. My 2 cents.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I believe the SCOTUS is going to take up a case on gerrymandering. Historically the SCOTUS has looked on gerrymandering with favor and approval. That combined with the Court's holding on the Voting Rights Act do not leave much room for optimism. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'm more a fan of the idea of merging direct democracy with representative democracy. Basically what we have now but with a mechanism for the public to vote directly on important/contentious issues annually. ... Well I'm certainly in favor of public vote as a check on representative votes, and while we have that in theory with the election of representatives and senators, that has rarely been true in practice. Certainly when it comes to things that directly benefit the politicians, like pay and health benefits and retirement plans, etc., and that these should be subject to the votes of the people paying the bills, not the politicians (Massive conflict of interest). And I am in favor of having ballot initiatives for things like gun controls and minimum living wages, where there is broad public support but can't seem to get anywhere in congress.
... The public vote doesn't necessarily have to be the final say, we could have the public vote count for 50% of the total vote and the reps vote count for the other 50% for example. This would give the public a way to measure how well their reps are actually representing them and the reps a good measure of public opinion. It would also give the general public more reason to pay attention to political issues and a greater feeling of involvement. My 2 cents. Well that is sort of done with polling, and that could be more formalized, plus there are town halls where people can discuss things with their reps.
Protesters swarm Chaffetz town hall Protesters Grill Democratic Senator About His Vote for Trump’s CIA Chief Using prevote polls could help them avoid confrontational town halls. Seems people are a bit more involved with politics since the last elections ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Riggamortis Member (Idle past 2390 days) Posts: 167 From: Australia Joined: |
Seems people are a bit more involved with politics since the last elections ... Possibly the only good thing to come of it. I still find it depressing that third party support is so low in the US, given the candidates. We're off topic though so we should find somewhere else if we want to continue this discussion.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Lemme put it back on topic
Possibly the only good thing to come of it. I still find it depressing that third party support is so low in the US, given the candidates. We're off topic though so we should find somewhere else if we want to continue this discussion. Because of the way US elections are run it defaults to two parties. Every time a third party does happen to beat one of the established parties that party usually disappears. This is how the republicans in collusion with the democrats control elections. They set the standards other parties have to meet (15% approval rating to be in debates) and the criteria for being on the ballots. Republican have managed to take this to such an extreme that it is difficult for anyone of any other party to get elected in republican controlled states. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
RAZD writes:
Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between the US and Canada that allows third parties to be successful in Canada?
Because of the way US elections are run it defaults to two parties. Every time a third party does happen to beat one of the established parties that party usually disappears.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2094 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between the US and Canada that allows third parties to be successful in Canada? private funding. Canada's federal election finance laws put limits on contributions to political parties and candidates. Only individuals not corporations or trade unions may donate. The US system is corrupt and controlled by corporate interest, it's no longer "we the people" it's "us the corporations." Edited by Porosity, : No reason given.
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