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Looks like an anthology of Creationism's Greatest Mistakes. Ooh look, it's even got " Joshua’s Long Day" in it!

"Joshua's Long Day"? Really? That was the second creationist claim thrown at me back in 1970 and it proved to me that creationist claims are nonsense. I was skeptical of the first (living fresh-water mollusc carbon-dated to be thousands of years old -- simply due to the reservoir effect as clearly and explicitly explained by the scientific source), but "Joshua's Long Day" claimed for computers incredible magical powers that I knew were utterly impossible even a decade before the microcomputer era, nearly a decade before my own computer education started. This claim is so bad that most Christian sites I've found that talk about do so to refute it and warn against using it. And here the author even works as a computer programmer and he couldn't tell how bogus it is? Inconceivable!Out of curiosity, it claims to be a dialogue with a non-believer. Is it really? With whom specifically? Or is it just a rehash of the standard fundamentalist make-believe conversation in which the believer stumps the non-believer with every question and the non-believer or a by-stander ends up converting. During my time with the Jesus Freaks (circa 1970), their proselytizing training materials were filled with such "dialogues", including so many Chick Pubs tracts (those were a hoot and a half!). Disgusting how they believed they couldn't convert anyone just by presenting their religion honestly, but rather had to deceive or bully people into converting. Says a lot about their religion.Edited by dwise1, : "reservoir effect"

Does anybody else smell spam?

The complete absence of any discussion makes it look like nothing more than advertising.The introduction is not promising either. the author starts with the assumption that the scientific attempt to understand the universe and its history is an attempt to counter the "obvious" existence of God. Which pretty much concedes the case right at the start.Also it is clear that this is an apologetic for the Eastern Orthodox Church, and although the introduction claims to be fictionalised accounts of real events, it is very likely that there is more fiction there than the author would admit or even realise.

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Welcome to the fray, Theodorus, So what does the book say about Joshua's Long Day" then -- in your words?Enjoy

What utter crap.Yet more reason that no Creationist should ever be trusted with any position that requires evidence based decision making.

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Hi Theodorus - I'm afraid the rules of this forum require you to at least paraphrase the contents of texts which you refer people to. It saves lots of people a load of time, and as I say, them's the rules. So can you sketch out the book's thesis, with regard to Joshua's long day please ?

Curiously I notice that you did not actually answer the question. Unfortunately, for you, this is not a book club, but a debate site. You are supposed to present an argument and use quotes from citations to support your position. That way I am debating with you and not a book or a website. I'm familiar with the argument, but would be curious to see what you think the book says about it. You seem to be waffling on your personal position. Or your only purpose here is to increase use of the Amazon site.abe: Actually this forum is to present information about books and their availability, and any debate should be taken to a new topic. Sorry for any misunderstanding.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : edit

That was certainly worth far more than just a chuckle. Legends and myths that seem to verify legends and myths.Whodathunkit.

what a ridiculous comment. If there are legends and myths worldwide that seem to validate the Biblical account, and I don't know if there are, but if there are then it is good evidence. Not evidence a Bible believer should need, of course, since we know it's God's word, but good evidence for unbelievers.Duh.

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what a ridiculous comment.

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Foreshadowing.

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If there are legends and myths worldwide that seem to validate the Biblical account, and I don't know if there are,

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There aren't.

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but if there are then it is good evidence.

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No, it isn't. You assume that similar stories have a single origin. Instead, they can have similar circumstances. For example, there are many flood stories around the world. But the fact that there are stories about a flood killing everything except for a single family in a boat with some animals (you do notice that the Bible's story of Noah is quite similar to the older, Babylonian story of Ut-Napishtim, yes?) doesn't mean there really was a global flood.Why?Because you only seem to find these stories in places that experience floods. In cultures that live in places where flooding hardly ever happens, you don't find flood stories. That there are flood stories across disparate cultures isn't evidence of a global flood. It's simply evidence that there are cultures that live in flood plains.

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Not evidence a Bible believer should need, of course, since we know it's God's word, but good evidence for unbelievers.

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Not in the slightest. As you said: What a ridiculous comment.