Glenn Morton's Evidence Examined

There is another local hot spot chain that is of interest since like the Hawaii/Emperor Chain it is far from extinct and that is the Snake River/Yellowstone Chain, a continental chain that stretches from Oregon to Yellowstone itself and is a series of caldera forming super eruptions that began over 16 million years ago with the most recent eruption only a little over 174 thousand years ago and last super eruption about 640 thousand years ago.One of the really useful things about these eruptions is that the Tuff produced by each event has distinct physical and chemical characteristics which allows direct dating of different layers of Tuff found as far away as Kansas to specific known events.

According to OE interpretation, not according to fact. You guys all have a bad habit of treating theory or interpretation as fact. It isn't.

Geology recognizes the "Supercontinent" Pangaea. Sure, The Biblical account itself.

Sorry, that's interpretation, not fact.

Sorry, no comprendo.

I have read the entire thread and will be moderating. There's a lot I could comment on, but I'll keep this very short:

• Support descriptions of events of Earth history with evidence and argument.
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• Some of the discussion harkens back to the The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock thread. Rather than draw this thread off-topic, a response should be posted to Stile's Message 1144. Discussion about successively higher livable habitats can resume there.

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Here's another one from Glenn Morton:He claims the Flood wasn't Global. There is one very brief answer to this that ought to satisfy someone who claims he's still a Christian: There would have been no need whatever for Noah to build an ark to carry all animals if the Flood were not global. It took him a hundred years to build it, enough time to have escaped to any area that would have been spared the Flood. I don't think there's anything else to say on this subject.

Yep, that old canard. Again. Here is a refresher showing the previous discussion. So yeah, you did claim that tracks found in the surface of rocks in the strata was only explained by the Flood. Either that or your post was a complete non-sequitur and nonsense.

I've already brought up the ammonites, which are one of the examples on the same page linked in the previous postGo to "3" on the page.Morton covers a number of examples of different varieties of the same fossil species being found in different layers of the strata, which he uses as evidence against the Flood. The idea is that it's impossible to imagine that such a Flood could have sorted creatures so precisely according to principles that have nothing to do with the YEC attempts to explain it according to hydrodynamic principles: size or shape or any feature that could be attributed to water as the cause. (abe: This is really an Argument from Incredulity, isn't it? Something YECs are often criticized for. /abe )This observation does at least disprove the hydrodynamic explanation for most of the sorting of the fossils, but all that means is that another explanation is needed. "Birds of a feather flock together" or in other words different original locations of the different fossil groups, seems to me to be the best explanation.But I'm not arguing for that explanation particularly. My argument is the same for all these examples, the same one I used for the ammonites and the trilobites (I don't find the trilobites mentioned on this page of Morton's but I try not to stay too long on a white page because of my eyes so I may have missed it): finding closely related creatures in different layers of the strata means according to conventional dating methods that there are millions of years between their appearance on the earth, which contradicts the normal rate of change in a species. This has been questioned on this thread but on no defensible basis. To develop a breed of cattle takes only a few hundred years, a dog breed even less, the Pod Mrcaru lizards less than thirty years. All that is required is the isolation of some individuals out of any species for a short period of time which must happen all the time in Nature. Even if you give it thousands of years you are nowhere near the millions required by the conventional dating of the strata.abe: I believe the genetic material for microevolution is built into the Species, that change is inevitable unless we're talking about a creature so genetically depleted they are almost clones of each other. /abeBut if your idea of how the changes arise happens to be mutation, then you would have to explain how so few mutations occurred in millions of years. If you acknowledge that mutations are often deleterious or lethal, you should also consider how the "evolved" creature in the higher level even survived that long.This is a killer for the Geological Timescale it seems to me, but I don't expect anyone to be honest about that. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith. John 3:16. Please.It is not a pre-requisite that one take the ark story literally in order to be a Christian. All that is necessary to is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and to repent from your sins. Period. I am quite surprised how folks who professes to be a Christian say otherwise so often. Please remind me not to take you along on an out reach trip. You make a number of other huge assumptions about what Morton had to believe.1) All that would have been necessary was for the known world to be flooded to prevent Noah's escape. Global flood not required. There would have been no reason, for example to Flood North and South America.2) You are challenging a non literal interpretation of the Bible by insisting on a literal translation of the Bible. Morton may not have accepted nearly as much as you are insisting on. No global flood means no need to even spend 100 years making a boat. Smaller flood, smaller boat, fewer animals. Sigh.

You said only "rocks" before, not "rocks in the strata." Sorry if I can't remember all your strange comments in their proper context.So yes on the surface of the rocks in the strata the tracks would have had to occur during the Flood.So?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

As you are doubtless aware, even that your "another explanation", which is not even new, is not enough. There is no explanation. Instead there is only your hope that an explanation will be found.

Dang it, NN, I'm not saying he isn't a Christian, I'm saying that DUE TO HIS CHRISTIAN belief he should recognize that the Flood HAD TO BE GLOBAL for the reasons I gave. Yes my syatement could have been clearer, sorry about that. But you seem to go out of your way to find the most reprehensible reading of anything I say.I don't think you could flood part of the world to a depth of fifteen cubits without flooding the rest of the world. What are you thinking?

A discussion requires remembering what was said in at least the last exchange. But beyond that, post from yesterday are always available to read today. I just provided an alternative to your explanation, so no, rocks on the surface do not have to occur because of a flood, regardless of whether they do or do not contain footprints.If you have some rationale beyond simply asserting such, perhaps this is the time to post it.

How about addressing the actual argument?