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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Gays are not a race, they aren't really even a legitimate class at all that deserves any concession from society. Really ? So if a company decided to sack all gay employees, because they're gay, those people should not be entitled to protection, based on anti-discrimination laws ? Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Gays should be treated like everybody else, not like a special class. They should not be fired for being gay unless they are being obnoxious about it, but they should not be protected on anti-discrimination grounds, just on the ground that there is no just cause to fire them.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1525 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Faith writes: They should not be fired for being gay unless they are being obnoxious about it,... Oh!!! Opposed to being merely objectionable "about it.?"Or detestably loathsome? Nothing worse than a obnoxious/objectionable gay fouling up the place eh?*sarcasm Edited by 1.61803, : *sarcasm"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I wasn't clear enough with my example.
Let's assume a company legitimately identifies it needs to cut its workforce by 10%, for redundancy reasons. Let's assume that 10% of the workforce self-identity as gay. The company can legitimately sack 10% of its employees. Is it allowed to choose just the gay ones ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Sounds good but it's really just a form of tyranny that denies freedom of belief to those you disagree with, because there is no way to have freedom of opinion if you are forbidden to act on it. For example, when gay people had the opinion that they should be able to get married, but they were forbidden to act on this opinion ... yes, I recall how you denounced that as a "form of tyranny". Wait, no, that wasn't you, was it. I must be thinking of someone else.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1525 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Right....only if they are being obnoxious.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Can gays bring their son or daughter to work?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ah yes, now it's ANY opinion, right? Just any old opinion has a right if my opinion has a right. If someone thinks people should marry dogs that should be treated as an opinion to be respected. An opinion that has rights, that should be protected by law so that it can be acted upon. Of course. The opinion that men who are attracted to boys should be allowed to act on it is gaining favor in some quarters. Obviously since it's somebody's opinion it should be respected.
So now we have to argue about the grounds for treatin an opinion as worthy of protection, as having rights. There are no doubt many things that could be said. But all this nonsense wears me out. I'm just too tired. Go ahead, ruin the world, it's coming to that very soon anyay. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you want an employee that acts in an obnoxious manner? And of course I mean something REALLY obnoxious, not just ordinary gay mannerisms. Shouldn't you have a right to protect the public image of your business? Not to mention the morale of your employees if it's REALLY obnoxious.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Ah yes, now it's ANY opinion, right? Just any old opinion has a right if my opinion has a right. If someone thinks people should marry dogs that should be treated as an opinion to be respected. An opinion that has rights, that should be protected by law so that it can be acted upon. Of course. The opinion that men who are attracted to boys should be allowed to act on it is gaining favor in some quarters. Obviously since it's somebody's opinion it should be respected. No one said all opinions should be respected. Some opinions deserve no more than ridicule.
Faith writes: So now we have to argue about the grounds for treatin an opinion as worthy of protection, as having rights. Exactly. We need to discuss the grounds for treating an opinion as worthy of protection. For example let's look at YOUR post.
Faith writes: If someone thinks people should marry dogs that should be treated as an opinion to be respected. Unless someone can come up this a valid reason people should not marry dogs, certainly it should be respected.
Faith writes: The opinion that men who are attracted to boys should be allowed to act on it is gaining favor in some quarters. It certainly should and has been discussed and society decided there was a vested interest in not allowing minors to make decisions related to sexuality and to prohibit coercion by adults. See Faith, that is the way it works.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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The lawsuit was dismissed because the issue had become moot. Changes in laws were the cause of the dismissal, not that the original suits did not have merit.
Kim Davis did not win.http://www.lgbtqnation.com/...lly-judge-dismisses-cases-moot Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
She won in the sense that the other laws eliminated the requirement that she sign a marriage license against her conscience; also in the sense that the ACLU's demand that she pay for legal expenses was rejected.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Gay marriage is the law of the land.
She lost.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ah yes, an illegal law of the land, imposed on the nation without any action of the legislature, just autocratic judicial tyranny as usual. You're right though, it is treated as the law of the land however criminally it was imposed on us, and a way was found for Davis to be off its hook for now. You're right about that. Too bad.
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 852 Joined:
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Ah yes, an illegal law of the land, imposed on the nation without any action of the legislature, just autocratic judicial tyranny as usual. Feel the same way about the Emancipation Proclamation?
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