On the origin of life

And God confirmed that that happened:

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Genesis 3:22-23 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

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The serpent was telling the truth and the "Fall" was a step toward maturity.

I just quoted what the Bible says: God confirmed that the serpent was telling the truth. No you don't. You believe what apologists and commentators have told you. What the Bible actually says is that God and the serpent agreed: Adam and Eve became more like God. That may or may not be "good for us" but it's what the Bible says. If you're going to be a Bible literalist, you shouldn't throw the Bible out the window.

God didn't say anything about the "first stage" of death. That's just something apologists made up. He said "death" and He specified the same day.The "connection with God" thing is also made up and patently false. The Bible describes plenty of connections with God after the supposed "Fall".Edited by ringo, : Spellin.

I know what it means. You're just making up a different "meaning". It doesn't say that. And even if it was true, Adam and Eve had no way of knowing what "spiritual death" meant, so IF that was what God meant, He was still misleading them. You have to change the meaning of "die" and also the meaning of "the same day" for your interpretation to work. You might as well change the meaning of "God" and "serpent" while you're at it. And "tree" and "fruit" and "good" and "evil"....But I don't suppose you see the irony in making up your own language to "prove" that the Bible is true.

Like the word "literal". You claim to believe that the Bible is literally true but you really mean your beliefs have nothing to do with what the Bible says. On the contrary, if you insist on words meaning what they actually mean, you can understand that the Bible is often wrong. You can force the Bible to be "right" by changing the meaning of all of the words - but you could do that with any other book too. You can get Treasure Island to predict who will win the next election if you redefine all of the words. Of course they did, because He lied to them about the consequences. They thought He was going to kill them on the spot. So what do you need the Bible for at all? Why not just go with your "imparted" wisdom?Edited by ringo, : Spellinge.

You're partly correct. But you can't use (your misinterpretation of) the New Testament to back up (your misinterpretation of) the Old Testament. Different languages + different times = different context.Do you have any examples of "spiritual death" in the Old Testament?

Oh come on. That's egregious, even for you. You can't use one example to back itself up. I'm asking for examples where the Bible talks about "spiritual death", not just where you read spiritual death into it. You're shooting yourself in the foot. Neither of those examples sounds spiritually dead. Spiritually impaired, maybe, at times, but not dead. God didn't tell Adam and Eve that they would surely suffer from lapses of judgement. He said they'd die. So "spiritual death" is just being human.You keep ignoring the fact that God Himself said that Adam and Eve had become MORE LIKE HIM, not less.