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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
mindspawn writes: Actually an unusual gathering of a wide variety of earliest mammals in Turkey, would be EXACTLY what one would expect from the ark. Yet the article acts confused why they gathered there in Turkey. Have you ever read the Bible? I know most Biblical Christians don't seem to have read any of it but I always hope.
Genesis 6 writes: 20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. According to the Bible myth TWO of every kind would come, not whole herds of critters. But maybe God did not know how to count?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Too funny.
mindspawn writes: The bible actually describes 14 of every kind. Most people miss that. There are only two of the unclean ones, the rest have 14. Yes, we know that there are two mutually exclusive flood myths in the Bible story but regadless, all the strange new animals whether the 2 of each kind or the other story end up on the ARK. BUT again, this is just yet more proof that the Bible story is just fantasy. Only one of the stories says that the animals will come, which animals not common to the area would need to do, and it says they will come by twos, a male and a female. We understand that the Bible is filled with factual errors, contradictions and logical fallacies but the fact remains that not one single example of a mammal including humans has ever been found below the P/T boundary and the Bible DOES claim there were humans and mammals in the area before the flood. Until you can present strong evidence of mammals and humans below the P/T boundary your position is simply another example of utterly sill Creationist fantasies.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
mindspawn writes: I could say the same. Until you present strong evidence for the origins of most phyla in the Cambrian Explosion, this is just another example of silly evolutionist fantasies. Obviously if most major phyla suddenly appear this points to creation. Uhm, no, it most certainly does not, and as expected it is irrelevant to the topic and just another example of Creationist con games. The issue is the fact that no evidence of any mammals including humans or ANY kind mentioned in the Bible myths has ever been found below the P/T boundary.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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mindspawn writes: The bible is not mutually exclusive Of course it is. The two Biblical flood myths disagree on when the flood started, how long it lasted, what critters got killed and what critters got saved. Sorry but thems the facts just like the two Biblical Creation myths are also mutually exclusive. Notice one story says seven pairs of each bird while the other story says only two of each bird. The Genesis 6 story says:
quote: Take two. The Genesis 7 story says:
quote: Take sevens. Just an interesting bible fact some of you may not know is that two , seven and fourteen are not the same number.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
mindspawn writes: It's only fair that I point the same question back at evolutionists. At least I can claim all modern creatures are rapid adaptations from the original creation of phyla at the Cambrian Explosion. Whether we one day find those niche mammals or they rapidly adapted from those original phyla, creation explains those original kinds. Creation theory is therefore coherent. Clear. With evidence. If you wish to claim that those original phyla which suddenly appeared had ancestors you have to show your evidence, otherwise your theory fails in comparison to creation. Again, all you are doing is the Carny con game of palming the pea, moving the goal posts and continuing to make unsupported assertions. You have presented no evidence that there are an example of original creation at anytime. Creation explains NOTHING. And the fact 9note we are dealing with facts here not fantasy) is that not one single example of evidence of humans or mammals below the P/T boundary has ever been found.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, Genesis 6 says two fowl while Genesis 7 says 7 pairs of some fowl. Sorry but yes, 2 and 7 and 14 are still not the same number.
But again, the Bible story of the flood is irrelevant to the topic or your claim that the Flood is seen at the P/T boundary. Stop trying to palm the pea, con the kids and show us evidence of mammals including humans below the P/T boundary. Absolutely nothing else is relevant as support for your assertion.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but you do not have a clear answer just nonsense totally refuted by reality and the Bible.
The Bible says there were humans and mammals in the Middle East (the setting for the myths) before the flood. You claim that the Biblical Flood was at the P/T boundary yet you have presented no evidence and in fact NO ONE has ever found a single piece of evidence if any mammals or humans below the P/T boundary. As to your question the so called Cambrian Explosion was simply a term based on ignorance. Science has learned since that term was created that there was no Cambrian explosion, only a lack of sample of Pre Cambrian fossils found. Fortunately science, unlike dogma, learns from it's errors and today we know that what seemed an explosion was just normal evolution. While Creationists cling to refuted concepts Science moves ahead. But of course it is also really stupid to try to use anything from the Cambrian period as evidence for Creation since once again, it is just more proof that the Bible is factually wrong. The Bible lists what was created and even when it was created and golly gee, no one single critter mentioned in the Bible existed during the Cambrian Period. The fossils that do exist from the Cambrian and Pre Cambrian period (also known as reality) simply refute what is claimed in the Bible creation myths.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually much of the Bible most certainly was a legal document and if you ignored those parts or tried to claim it was not a legal document you still got stoned or burned or had all of your belongings taken and told to get the hell outta Dodge.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
One of the facts that I always found makes Creationism seem so utterly silly (beside the fact that none of the critters mentioned in the Creation myths shows up in the earliest records where you would expect to find them) is the fact that we find critters that come and then go.
The Judaic Creation myths are a single short time event, stuff gets created in a literal week in one of the stories and then the God stops and just admires her work while in the other myth most everything is already created except (st)eve and (s)he gets created in one sleeping period. What is common to both stories though is that everything created continues to exist throughout ALL of the time period covered by the fables. Reality though shows an entirely different picture, one that is totally incompatible with either of the Creation myths. Reality shows that (using the terms Creationists seem to prefer) a Kind appears in the record and then disappears and is never seen again and that that process continues throughout the whole history from the very beginning until today. The evidence is that humans have been able to identify and assign names to the different critters. Unless the definition of "Kind" is reduced to the most very basic level (carbon based life form, or kind that lived in the sea, or kind that could fly) the whole picture presented in either of the Judaic Creation myths is completely refuted. There is no "human kind" in evidence over all of history, no "raven Kind" or "Dove kind" or "Cattle kind" or any of the other "Kinds" mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
mindspawn writes: If the fossil record is sparse, what then are you basing your theory on? The theory is based on the VAST body of physical evidence that exist while there is zero evidence of any Creator.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you look at the DNA from Northern Hemisphere Marsupials it is always spirals clockwise however the DNA from Australian Marsupials spirals anti-widdershins.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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mindspawn has gotten all of you to take the bait and head down the rabbit hole. Creationists are good about that.
mindspawn made a claim that the Biblical flood was at the P/T boundary. The Bible says that there were humans and mammals and reptiles and birds before the flood. That means there MUST be evidence of those critters below the P/T boundary if that was when the flood happened and not just those critters killed in the flood but all the other mammals and reptiles and birds and trees and flowering plants that lived and died between creation and the flood. There has to be some evidence. The Bible also said that those critters did not just live in the highlands or Siberia so claiming the evidence is buried under the Siberian Traps is simply silly or makes the Bible a bunch of lies. When is mindspawn going to produce ANY evidence to support his assertion or will he simply continue to palm the pea, cheat the rubes, dance the Gish Gallop like all Creationists from the beginning of Creationism?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm still waiting for you to provide the evidence of the existence found below the P/T boundary of mammals and humans and reptiles and birds and flowering plants and all of the other kinds that are mentioned as existing before the flood or your concession that you are simply spewing shit.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Learn to read.
Suddenly and rapidly are not synonymous. And the Cambrian Period lasted about 53 million years so again, not sudden. BUT... I'm still waiting for you to provide the evidence of the existence found below the P/T boundary of mammals and humans and reptiles and birds and flowering plants and all of the other kinds that are mentioned as existing before the flood or your concession that you are simply spewing shit.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And there is still no evidence of ANY marsupials or any other critter created during Creation week below the P/T boundary.
Edited by jar, : s not c
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