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AZPaul3
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Message 871 of 887 (897699)
09-10-2022 3:38 AM


Follow the £ £ £
I’m wondering if a modern British monarchy is possible without having fools as a royal family? From the moment they can breath they are pampered... and watched and photographed and recorded through every window, open, shuttered or not, microphone and camera constantly shoved in their face and asked all manner of stupid question, suggestion and favor for an expected “royal” response.
Could anyone live that life and remain sane? Sure the pay is good but forced to party every day all day with camera and microphone in your face can get crazy? Can anyone stay normal? Charles didn’t. Diana didn’t. Harry, William, Megan? No.
The role of a Royal someone apparently makes you megalomaniacal. The constant exposure to media, ridicule, praise adulation and hate, living in a fish bowl, has got to do un-natural things to your brain.
What I’m getting at is it is not the royals’ fault. In this modern image furnace no person could stay normal.
This is fault of the media, and the society that projects it. Regardless of state of mind the royals will be portrayed in both the best and worst of ways. Constantly, globally. Anyone would look stupid especially when the paparazzi are looking for stupid.
Problem.
Britain can’t just pitch it all and walk away. This royal family tourism and merchandising thing is big business. £ billions++ every year. Right now, today, Chinese factories are turning out millions of Queen Liz busts, crowns, broaches, pens, plates, party hats and streamers, all in black to celebrate her death. Multiply this a million times all over the world.
The UK is already financially shaky. I don’t know about ditching another major sector of the economy.
The UK spends about £ 100 million a year for the royals. They generate £ billions++ a year. With a coronation coming up that will be, what, £ 100 billion++? Can you give it up knowing how many millions will lose their livelihood?

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Message 872 of 887 (897707)
09-10-2022 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 871 by AZPaul3
09-10-2022 3:38 AM


Re: Follow the £ £ £
American flags at half mast is a bit too much for me.

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Message 873 of 887 (897728)
09-10-2022 2:19 PM
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09-10-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Follow the £ £ £
Tanyperyx writes:
American flags at half mast is a bit too much for me.
I can understand feeling this way, and many British probably feel the same way, but the figurative head of our closest ally in the entire world has died, so I'm okay with it.
--Percy

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Message 874 of 887 (897858)
09-14-2022 7:45 AM


"Leaked" RAND Document
Leaked RAND Document
The document speaks for itself. Basically, it charges that the RAND Corporation is actively trying to destabilize Europe by provoking Russia.
quote:
Germany's economy continues to collapse due to its NATO conflict with Russia. Was this the plan all along? Newly leaked documents seem to suggest that the West wanted to drag Germany into an economic and military conflict with Russia all along in order to weaken the rest of Europe. This from leaked Rand documents produced for the White House, the CIA, the NSA, and the Democratic National Party. Um...WHAT!? You can read the full report thanks to journalist John Mark Dugan.
Is this a hoax? I suppose any journalist can claim that a document exists and simply make it up, but im gonna ask Snopes.

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Message 875 of 887 (897859)
09-14-2022 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 874 by Phat
09-14-2022 7:45 AM


Re: "Leaked" RAND Document
Yandex is Russian, so this is almost certainly Russian government propaganda and completely false.
John Mark Dougan is a conspiracy theorist living in Russia, not a legitimate journalist.
Nobody in the West wanted this war - that’s all on Putin and his war-mongering allies.
And this should be in the “War in Europe” thread.

Edited by PaulK, : Added name of correct thread

Edited by PaulK, : Info on John Mark Dougan


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Message 876 of 887 (899852)
10-20-2022 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 875 by PaulK
09-14-2022 7:58 AM


Liv Truss to Resign as PM
Wow. The UK is really going through Prime Ministers.
quote:
Prime Minister Liz Truss has resigned as UK prime minister and leader of the Conservative Party in a statement outside Downing Street
Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister - BBC News
The recent scare for the UK economy was pretty alarming as well, with the pound going into freefall for a time. I am curious who will now step up to take the reigns.

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Message 877 of 887 (899872)
10-20-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by Diomedes
10-20-2022 9:37 AM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
"Bring back Boris, Bring back Boris"
We're fucked for a generation.

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Message 878 of 887 (899873)
10-20-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by Diomedes
10-20-2022 9:37 AM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
Diomedes writes:
The UK is really going through Prime Ministers.
The Canadian Conservative Party has had three leaders since 2017. Thankfully, none of them has been Prime Minister.

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What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
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AZPaul3
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Message 879 of 887 (899886)
10-20-2022 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by Diomedes
10-20-2022 9:37 AM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
What happened? Details please.
What happened to the economy that forced this? She may have had plans but she didn't have enough time to effect an entire national economy this quickly. 'Cept I guess she did.
How?

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Message 880 of 887 (899888)
10-20-2022 3:53 PM
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10-20-2022 3:41 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
The BBC explains it here
But simply put she planned massive tax cuts funded by borrowing without bothering to look at the forecasts. The market didn’t like it, so the cost of Government borrowing shot up. The Bank of England had to intervene to protect pension plans, and the pound fell steeply.
There was a lot of mismanagement of the situation after that, but that’s more politics than economics.

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AZPaul3
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Message 881 of 887 (899892)
10-20-2022 4:52 PM
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10-20-2022 3:53 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
So she didn't 'do' anything other than rile the markets by putting forward a total economically illiterate cowpie for a plan.
I take it back. She did ignore the independent forecasts by her covy of economists.
Doctor, doctor, my arm hurts when I hold it up like that.
Unfortunately her solution was not to put a sling on it but to amputate.
I guess that's what happens when you follow your politics instead of reality.
Thank you, PaulK.

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Message 882 of 887 (899894)
10-20-2022 5:10 PM
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10-20-2022 4:52 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
Apart from badly upsetting the markets, causing significant economic damage to the country, forcing interest rate rises - at a time of serious difficulties and rising inflation.
Then grudgingly making a u-turn and sacking her Chancellor, and appointing a replacement who seems to be running the show.
Then, yesterday, losing her Home Secretary (who she may have forced out) making a complete pigs ear of a vote in the Commons and badly upsetting a lot of her own party’s MPs.
And let’s not forget that despite the bounce effect of replacing BoJo The Clown she managed to tank the Conservative Party’s popularity so badly that they run the risk of being annihilated in the next General Election. If the popularity figures turned into votes (they won’t) the Tories presence in Parliament would be reduced to single figures.

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Message 883 of 887 (900148)
10-23-2022 7:27 PM
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10-20-2022 5:10 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
It wouldn't be a case of political turmoil without some commentary from Johnathan Pie:

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Message 884 of 887 (900153)
10-24-2022 4:07 AM
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10-23-2022 7:27 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
“…..and then she swoops in, kills the queen, crashes the markets, and fucks off….
Oh dear, oh dear…

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 885 of 887 (900162)
10-24-2022 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 884 by Tangle
10-24-2022 4:07 AM


New UK PM
Looks like Rishi Sunak is now the new PM in the UK.
Rishi Sunak warns of profound economic challenges after winning race to become prime minister - BBC News
quote:
Rishi Sunak will be the UK's next prime minister after winning the Conservative Party leadership contest
Well, now that the bar has been set so low after Liv Truss and Bojo the Clown, can only go up from here, right?

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