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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I'd consider sentience and consciousness to be synonyms. Sentience is more that just consciousness, it involves subjectivity and requires more thinking than just being aware.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
It isn't about "caring" whether there's a difference. It's about ways and means of determining what the difference is, if any.
If we didn't care whether there was a difference between ourselves (natural) and something that we make (artificial), we wouldn't be having the conversation. Tangle writes:
Vivisection isn't always an option. How do you tell whether the "entity" at the other end of the Internet is human or machine?
We look inside the box.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: Vivisection isn't always an option. How do you tell whether the "entity" at the other end of the Internet is human or machine? If we care, we go have a look. If we don't..... The better question is not whether we can tell the difference it's whether it matters if we can't.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
So if you don't show up on my doorstep, I can assume you don't care.
If we care, we go have a look. Tangle writes:
That's just a philosophical question. I don't care about philosophy.
The better question is not whether we can tell the difference it's whether it matters if we can't.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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ringo writes: What is there besides what seems to be? ringo writes: How do you tell the difference {between illusion and reality}? ringo writes: We're not talking about "natural" or "artificial". We're talking about consciousness, awareness, responsiveness, sentience. Is there any way to tell "natural" consciousness from "artificial" consciousness? What do "natural" and "artificial" even mean in the context of consciousness?" ringo writes: How do you tell whether the "entity" at the other end of the Internet is human or machine? ringo writes: That's just a philosophical question. I don't care about philosophy. You can't come into a philosophy discussion, philosophize, and then dismiss philosophizing of others as being philosophy. You run the danger of dividing the universe by zero or something, its very dangerous.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
I don't consider it philosophizing any more than I consider measuring a two-by-four philosophizing. I'm looking for concrete answers.
You can't come into a philosophy discussion, philosophize, and then dismiss philosophizing of others as being philosophy. Modulous writes:
I don't mind rushing in where angels fear to tread.
You run the danger of dividing the universe by zero or something, its very dangerous.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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ringo writes: So if you don't show up on my doorstep, I can assume you don't care. Correct.
That's just a philosophical question. I don't care about philosophy. It's a highly practical problem. At some time in the nearish future machines will be in charge of our cars and a little after that it'll be our healthcare and eventually our judicial systems. It's going to matter to our descendants whether their helpmates are conscious and sentient and what form that consciousness might take.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I don't consider it philosophizing any more than I consider measuring a two-by-four philosophizing. The problem is that you are looking at the line between the objective and the subjective. The experience and the process of experiencing. Until we have a full scientific theory of consciousness, we can only figure out the questions we should be asking and what the answers should look like. And that's philosophizing whichever way you cut it.
I'm looking for concrete answers. The very battlecry of the philosopher!
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Today we have cars identified as "Student Driver". I guess in the nearish future we'll have to have cars identified as "Human Driver" so the other human drivers know to watch for erratic behaviour. At some time in the nearish future machines will be in charge of our cars.... (During the transition period in which there are both human drivers and AI drivers, the AIs will have to be more capable of adjusting to erratic behaviour. When all drivers are AI, the AI can be much simpler.)
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
And what better way to get a full scientific theory of consciousness than by building a conscious entity?
Until we have a full scientific theory of consciousness, we can only figure out the questions we should be asking and what the answers should look like. Modulous writes:
I'm looking at the difference between analysis and synthesis.
The problem is that you are looking at the line between the objective and the subjective.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But in any event, your doubts about me don't seem to answer the question either. They weren't meant to, but rather to illustrate the difficulty in answering it.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 378 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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