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ICANT Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 6426 From: SSC Joined:
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Hi Paul
Well I know better as I spent a lot of time on the water when I was young in the Gulf of Mexico and I could see the curvature of the earth. Now as far as subjective, everything is subjective. Everything you have ever been taught about creation is subject to the original assumptions being fact.
What else is an experiment supposed to produce. It either proves or disproves the premise.
Nor will they ever.
The universe can not have existed eternally in the past due to entropy. Since nothing exists outside the universe according to the standard theory that requires the universe having a beginning to exist from non-existence. Therefore a "WHY" is necessary.
Nor at any time that ever becomes now.
You left out the most important one "BIOGENESIS".
Humans did not exist. Now humans exist. My question is why do they exist which requires a purpose.
And they will never tell me where life came from.
The standard theory is the only hypothesis that has reached the theory category. I have been trying to get supporting evidence for that conclusion since the 1st post in this thread and in other threads. Would you care to present any evidence or just continue to tell me the "theories do that exceptionally well". That statement is an assertion not evidence.
If it is not complete it should not be classified as a theory but as a hypothesis.
When did it reach a consensus? Do you know something that he does not? If you do present it. At least you said string theory, and bounce theory were just a hypothetical model. Which means it is something that is based on a guess.
Dark matter and Dark energy are required for the universe to exist without flying apart. That assumption is all the evidence you have for their existence. quote: Definition of consist found here quote: You say gravity holds the universe together and since there is not enough matter and energy in the universe to accomplish that feat science invented dark matter, and dark energy. The Bible says God holds, or binds it together. There is just as much evidence to support this hypothesis as for dark matter and dark energy.
The Hebrew word נפש means: living being, life, breath as it had to do with God breathing the breath of life into the form He had formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 and he became a living being. The Hebrew word הבשר starts with the definite article translated as the , and the noun meaning flesh, body of humans and animals. So yes I am sure the original is saying the life of the flesh is in the blood. That life being the contents of the blood which is oxygen and energy, which is transported to the cells of the body.
Why do you say "no he didn't". I have photo copies of the Dead Sea Scrolls which is 2200 hundred years old and they used the same two Hebrew words I explained above. According to science those original scrolls are a little over 2200 years old. The people who lived 400 years after Moses lived had scrolls with the same text written on them. We have a record of Columbus discovering the Americas in 1492, do you question that information?
Moses was very familiar with draining all the blood from a sheep.
Everything I would tell you, you would probably classify as coincidence. But with such a preponderance of coincidences in my life the evidence is overwhelming to me that God does exist.
It will produce exactly what it is supposed to accomplish. It may not produce the result I would like but non the less it will produce a result. When you die and you will, you will stand before God and be judged by what you have done with the opportunities you had on earth to trust Him for eternal life. You will not have an excuse when you stand before Him. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
There in no science of creation. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Everyone knew that without blood the flesh dies.
Yeh, science is pretty cool like that.
It sure is, and they didn't understand the circulatory system. If Moses had even mentioned the circulatory system I'm have been impressed - though not terribly surprised as it was there to be discovered. I'd be even more impressed that having 'understood' the circulatory system he'd done anything with the knowledge. But he didn't know anything about it, he just said what everyone already knew. You'd love to make something more of it but UCANT.
Now here's a perfect example of your total lack of integrity. You *know* that I am saying that they didn't understand the circulatory system and its purpose. You know that because I've said it half a dozen times. Yet you twist it in this simpleton way - who do you think you're fooling? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Whereupon, Tangle replies:
What is the argument, anyway? Im lost as to what precisely is being argued. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Do you actually doubt that? Really?
If we're sticking with the cat analogy it's more likely, I'd spit in your face. Look Phat, wisdom is only useful if it's knowledge. The sort of 'wisdom' you talk about is folk wisdom, 90% useless 10% dangerous. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
OK, lets go with a "preacher" you can relate to.
Here is something to chew on. Michio Kaku The Universe in a Nutshell (Full Presentation) Dr.Kaku is one of the public voices of Physics, and he carries on a grand tradition of public presentation. But is he right? Relevant? Empathetic towards a needy planet? Is he better able to give humanity hope in our own intelligence? What do you think? He claims in this video that by the year 2100 we will have the power of the gods. To be fair, I havent watched it all yet...but will do so after work. Gotta run. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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ICANT is trying to say that because Moses said that life is in the blood he was telling us something science only discovered thousands of years later. Drivel. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 6426 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Tangle
That is correct. Everything is based on assumptions. There is no evidence concerning creation. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
That's correct, there is no evidence for creation. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
I'm travelling and don't have time to watch videos, but I've seen endless explanations of our universe. A couple by him. I don't understand the question I'm afraid. Why does humanity need to hope in our intelligence and what does 'hoping in our intelligence mean? How can a planet be needy? All this wishy-washy, precious, 'I'm special' thinking. I find it weird. Why do some people need to do it is a better question. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Hi Tangle. It turned out to be an interesting video...I judged it prematurely based on one quote that he said. He describes the basics of the 4 forces of the universe and how they affect our modern lives. 1) Gravity,2)Electromagnetic force,3)Weak Nuclear, and 4)Strong Nuclear. Kaku explains the implications of the discovery and subsequent utilization of each of the 4 laws. A basic science primer for those of us, such as myself, who never took calculus or an advanced science course.
To be honest, I think much the same way that Pastor ICANT thinks when I attempt to consciously tie science in with my faith. Don't belittle or criticize us for doing so...unlike you, we have a firm belief and are attempting to rationalize modern thought and motive with the teachings we know about human nature.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Which means that like ICANT and Faith, you will never understand it. If you try to filter the science through your beliefs you'll reject what you don't like and put undue emphasis on what you do. That's not science or anything like it. That's a really good way to look really stupid.
I'm going to belittle and criticise every attempt that ICANT makes to lie about science. That's what he's doing Phat, he's lying about science. Luckily it's very easy to demonstrate how wrong he is. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 6426 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Tangle
quote: I said the KJV Bible says "the life of the flesh is in the blood". The quote above is from the KJV Bible. Does the words that are enlarged say "the life of the flesh is in the blood"? So where is the lie? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 6426 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Tangle
Quote your message.
I don't know the point you were trying to make by those two quotes as you did not state one. But let me comment. Moses did not say "life is in blood" I enlarged what Moses said again so maybe you can read it. Moses did say: "the life of the flesh is in the blood". So stop misrepresenting what I said that Moses said. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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