Hi Paul
AZPaul writes:
And "common sense" is subjective (the Earth looks flat to me). Not good for building a model of reality.
Well I know better as I spent a lot of time on the water when I was young in the Gulf of Mexico and I could see the curvature of the earth.
Now as far as subjective, everything is subjective.
Everything you have ever been taught about creation is subject to the original assumptions being fact.
AZPaul writes:
Proof? Who said anything about proof?
What else is an experiment supposed to produce. It either proves or disproves the premise.
Nor will they ever.
AZPaul writes:
Why the universe exists? You mean as in purpose?
"Purpose" is a human construct, an illusion, ICANT. There is no purpose.
The universe can not have existed eternally in the past due to entropy.
Since nothing exists outside the universe according to the standard theory that requires the universe having a beginning to exist from non-existence.
Therefore a "WHY" is necessary.
Nor at any time that ever becomes now.
AZPaul writes:
You have to look, ICANT.
BBT, Nucleosynthesis, Genetics, Evolution all have a say in answering that one.
You left out the most important one "BIOGENESIS".
AZPaul writes:
Purpose, again.
"Purpose" is a human illusion, ICANT. There is no purpose.
Humans did not exist. Now humans exist. My question is why do they exist which requires a purpose.
And they will never tell me where life came from.
AZPaul writes:
And many of our theories do that exceptionally well. That is all we ask of them.And many of our theories do that exceptionally well. That is all we ask of them.
The standard theory is the only hypothesis that has reached the theory category.
I have been trying to get supporting evidence for that conclusion since the 1st post in this thread and in other threads.
Would you care to present any evidence or just continue to tell me the "theories do that exceptionally well". That statement is an assertion not evidence.
AZPaul writes:
Yes. Though we know it is not complete.
If it is not complete it should not be classified as a theory but as a hypothesis.
AZPaul writes:
Is inflation a theory?
Yes. Though we know it is not complete.
When did it reach a consensus?
One of our most outstanding cosmologist of the present Sir Roger Penrose calls "cosmic inflation a fantasy.
Do you know something that he does not? If you do present it.
At least you said string theory, and bounce theory were just a hypothetical model.
Which means it is something that is based on a guess.
AZPaul writes:
You got one right. And the hypothesis as to why/how (not purpose but operation) is dark energy. Super strong evidence that an unseen energy exists, not so strong on the actual mechanisms involved.
Dark matter and Dark energy are required for the universe to exist without flying apart. That assumption is all the evidence you have for their existence.
quote:
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Definition of consist found
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To stand together; to be in a fixed or permanent state, as a body composed of parts in union or connection. Hence, to be; to exist; to subsist; to be supported and maintained.
You say gravity holds the universe together and since there is not enough matter and energy in the universe to accomplish that feat science invented dark matter, and dark energy.
The Bible says God holds, or binds it together. There is just as much evidence to support this hypothesis as for dark matter and dark energy.
AZPaul writes:
Did he? Is that the actual translation from the original?
Or was it something like "You bleed too hard you get dead."?
Can you show that he even was, let alone what he may/may not have said?
The Hebrew word נפש means: living being, life, breath as it had to do with God breathing the breath of life into the form He had formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 and he became a living being.
The Hebrew word הבשר starts with the definite article translated as the , and the noun meaning flesh, body of humans and animals.
So yes I am sure the original is saying the life of the flesh is in the blood. That life being the contents of the blood which is oxygen and energy, which is transported to the cells of the body.
AZPaul writes:
No, he didn't. This smacks of desperate reaching for something "sciency" to defend the indefensible.
Why do you say "no he didn't". I have photo copies of the Dead Sea Scrolls which is 2200 hundred years old and they used the same two Hebrew words I explained above. According to science those original scrolls are a little over 2200 years old.
The people who lived 400 years after Moses lived had scrolls with the same text written on them.
We have a record of Columbus discovering the Americas in 1492, do you question that information?
AZPaul writes:
He didn't. All he knew, and all your quote of him shows, is that he knew if you bleed too hard you get dead.
Moses was very familiar with draining all the blood from a sheep.
But usually the sheep was dead quite some time before all the blood came out, as the throat of the sheep was cut depriving the brain of blood. Moses probably did not know that the sheep died from the brains lack of blood either.
AZPaul writes:
This forum is full of such religious proclamations, yet, no evidence is ever presented.
Everything I would tell you, you would probably classify as coincidence. But with such a preponderance of coincidences in my life the evidence is overwhelming to me that God does exist.
AZPaul writes:
Ultimately unproductive but I appreciate the sentiment. Thank you.
It will produce exactly what it is supposed to accomplish. It may not produce the result I would like but non the less it will produce a result.
When you die and you will, you will stand before God and be judged by what you have done with the opportunities you had on earth to trust Him for eternal life. You will not have an excuse when you stand before Him.
God Bless,
And I continue to pray for you and yours, and everyone else.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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