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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That happens a lot on the Internet. People develop a "personal relationship" with somebody who turns out to be completely different from the way they portray themselves. It helps to know the source in a personal relationship.Without that it is impossible to understand God's Word. So how do you know you can trust the source?
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The same way he could have stone tablets when the words "stone" and "tablet" didn't exist. He might not know what you were talking about but he'd still have his stone tablets.
Please explain to me how Moses could have something called nouns when the word 'NOUN' did not exist until about 600 years ago.
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It's been proven untrue even if you choose to believe it's true. You jump through a lot of hoops to convince yourself that the Bible is true, even the parts that have been proven untrue. During the course of duration since then He has never told me anything that has proven to be untrue. My question was: How do you decide that the Bible is true? An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It only takes one untruth to prevent the whole Bible from being true.
Saying that the flood is untrue does not mean that the life and ministry of Jesus Christ is untrue. Phat writes:
Truth is correspondence with reality.
More to the point, what is truth? Phat writes:
Probably not.
Is it possible to prove that Long John Silver is untrue? Phat writes:
If the Bible tells a story about a flood which we can prove is untrue, why would we trust it on other topics that can't be proven one way or the other? Did Jesus even exist?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
I gave you an example in Message 441:
What has been proven untrue?quote:That isn't even logically possible, much less scientifically or historically correct. ICANT writes:
Genesis 1:1 quote:In the beginning created God the heavens and the earth That says the universe had a beginning.quote:That story has a beginning too. But later on it claims the bears lived in a house and sat on chairs and slept in beds, so we have reason to question whether it is true. Similarly, Genesis claims that there were plants before the sun, so we have equal reason to question whether it is true.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
He had nouns whether he had a word for them or not. If you believe he wrote Genesis, you don't have to go beyond chapter 1, verse 1 to find a noun: "God" is a noun, "heavens" is a noun, "earth" is a noun. Moses had no word we translate as noun.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You have a habit of scoffing at things without thinking first. Thats about the silliest thing you have ever written. Let's try this again: "It only takes one untruth to prevent the whole Bible from being true." Some people believe that the whole Bible is true - every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God, etc. Right? If one thing in the Bible was false - e.g. the Flood - then the whole Bible would not be true, would it? If one piece of fruit in the bag is not an apple, then the whole bag is not apples, right? So what's silly?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
So do you understand that Moses had nouns, even if he didn't call them nouns? You left out one word we classify as a noun.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
My point is that "the beginning" is the beginning of the story, not necessarily the beginning of the universe. "Once upon a time, God created the heavens and the earth."
If the universe is not an eternal entity it had to have a beginning to exist. ICANT writes:
We can only go back as far as shortly after the Big Bang. If there was a Big Crunch that initiated the Big Bang, we have no way of telling. Did the universe have a beginning to exist, how? Please give me the scientific answer to both parts of that question. So trying to make the Bible agree with science won't work.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Those are "shortcomings", not falsifications. They're questions that have not been answered yet.
Which one of the nine problems that proves the BBT is false would satisfy you that the BBT is false? ICANT writes:
That isn't what I said. I said that if there is one falsehood in the Bible, then you can't say that the whole Bible is true. There still may be other truths in it. Especially since you say it only takes one to nullify the entire Bible. I'll give you a different example from the one I gave Phat: If you have the binary number 11111111, you can say that every bit is 1 (true). But if you have the number 11111011, you can not.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Nobody has said that he called them "nouns".
I believe Moses had words for people, places, and things.But he had no word for noun so whatever he called them it was not a noun. ICANT writes:
He did know what a noun was, no matter what he called them. He must have known what they were because he used them. Therefore Moses did not know what a noun was. This is why it's so hard to take you seriously: You don't understand English, so why would we think you understand Hebrew?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You claimed that the Big Bang was proven false. Message 522 Isn't inflation supposed to correct most of those problems?That is the reason it was postulated. Now Sir Roger Penrose says 'inflation' is a fantasy. If inflation is a fantasy as he says then the BBT collapse's. There are others that agree with him. Questions do no prove it false.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
You have no way of knowing that because you've never seen it as it was originally written. If you are talking about the Bible as it was originally written it was perfect without mistakes of any kind.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That's an open question.
Well the universe exists. Did it have a beginning to exist?or Has it always existed. ICANT writes:
Sez you. With your opinion and two dollars, I can buy a cup of coffee.
There is no such thing as the Big Bang. ICANT writes:
Sez you. Your opinion on the Big Bang has less value than your opinion on the best flavour of ice cream.
There was a beginning to exist that was stretched out. ICANT writes:
Why are you saying that if you're not trying to reconcile the Bible with science? What theological difference does it make whether or not the universe had a beginning?
Who is trying to make God's Word (the Bible) agree with science? God's Word simply says that the universe had a beginning to exist. ICANT writes:
But the Bible doesn't say anything about expansion.
It said it at least 2800 years before Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe was expanding in 1929. ICANT writes:
No. It only means that the universe was once smaller than it is now. A series of contractions and expansions would produce the same observations.
This discovery dictated that the universe had a beginning to exist. ICANT writes:
But it doesn't agree. The Bible doesn't mention expansion at all. That means science caught up to God's Word and agreed with what God's Word said.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 715 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I did. I copied and pasted it directly from your post.
If you are going to quote me get the quote right. ICANT writes:
A shortage of evidence is not "proof" that the Big Bang is false. Now if you have any evidence for the existence of inflation, dark matter, and dark energy please share it.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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