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Percy
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Message 64 of 69 (912126)
08-16-2023 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Percy
08-07-2023 12:08 PM


Re: And Now, Introducing L'affaire Halep
Halep's mistreatment at the hands of the ITIA continues. This board is evidently accountable to no one. The hearing took place near the end of June with a ruling promised within two weeks. It has now been six weeks and no one has heard a word. The ITIA is just sitting on its hands for all anyone knows while Halep's athletic career sinks deeper and deeper into ruin.
The biggest mystery is this lack of accountability by the ITIA. Who do they report to? How did they get the right to issue charges, suspend the player pending a hearing, then wait 10 months to hold the hearing? How did they get the right to issue rulings at any arbitrary time of their choosing instead of when promised?
Halep's tennis success has made her a millionaire many times over. She can afford lawyers. If any legal avenues are open to her I hope she is pursuing them. This affair which includes no presumption of innocence until proven guilty has already cost her millions of dollars. It just feels like there should definitely be a lawsuit against the ITIA by this time, with Maria Sharapova filing an amici curiae in support of Halep's position, since Sharapova suffered the same thing a few years ago.
From International Tennis Integrity Agency - Wikipedia:
quote:
The ITIA is legally independent of the IGBs (International Governing Bodies of tennis) and makes its own decisions on investigations and prosecutions. In this respect it is unusual in global sports.
The ITIA is supervised by the Tennis Integrity Supervisory Board (TISB) which has 5 independent members and 4 tennis members, representing the IGBs. The TISB is currently chaired by Jennie Price CBE, former CEO of Sport England.
Concerning the delay, here is a quote of Halep on May 23rd of this year:
Simon Halep:
While the ITIA via their representative Nicole Sapstead was publicly stating 3 days ago that the ITIA has remained committed to engaging Mrs Halep in an empathetic, efficient and timely manner, they were at the same time officially requesting the Tribunal to delay my hearing... for the third time.
It seems to me that legal avenues and requests for damages are open paths for Halep, and I hope she takes them. What the ITIA is doing seems unconscionable. Just imagine the consequences to yourself if a failed drug test resulted in you being suspended from your job without pay pending a hearing, and then the hearing was delayed nearly a year with no ruling in sight.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 66 of 69 (912186)
08-19-2023 2:33 PM
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08-19-2023 12:15 PM


Re: And Now, Introducing L'affaire Halep
Some sports come down really hard on cheaters who they believe they've proven have taken steroids or performed blood doping or used a drug that enhances the heart's pumping ability and on and on. The list of drugs athletes must avoid is very, very long, with the emphasis on "very".
Another example of the same problem in another sport is Shelby Houlihan, a middle distance runner who has been banned from running competitions for over four years, forcing her to miss out on two Olympics and causing her to lose out on about $2 million in income.
If an athlete fails multiple tests and investigations have uncovered who provided the drugs and they've identified witnesses of the person acquiring on taking the drugs, then throw the book at them. But throwing the book for one failed drug test at trace levels is just beyond the pale.
I don't know why sports organizations are so punitive even with scant evidence. It makes no sense to me. From what I've read these organizations provide no transparency to their inner workings or timetables. The athletes affected are as much in the dark as everyone else.
Houlihan will be allowed to resume competitive running again in February of 2025, but I believe she'll be 32 by then. And after a ten month ban and counting Halep, who I think is 31, still has no idea when she'll be able to resume competitive tennis. She's a former #1 and has won several Grand Slams, as was true of Sharapova before her.
For Halep life will go on. She's a millionaire many times over, she's a god in her home country of Romania, she's married to a billionaire, life is good. But if this is how they treat Halep, imagine how they treat someone who's nobody, someone ranked somewhere in the top 200 in the world who's playing ITF tournaments (equivalent of minor leagues, very little money), living hand to mouth, traveling by bus when possible, and staying in people's homes or fleabag hotels, perhaps even with no coach or trainer, certainly no full time ones.
For players in the top few hundred in the world who have made little or no money on the tour there is a considerable potential upside after they retire. They are tennis gods and can leverage their talent and experience into lucrative teaching/coaching positions. While salaries at a top academy like the IMG (formerly Nick Bollettieri's academy) probably average around $50K, special positions are created for former pros who while their salary probably isn't much higher, they can command $500/hour for private lessons. If they don't mind continuing the travel they can sign on with current pros at salaries that at the top level are around $1.5 million.
I like the quickness and certainty of the NFL. "So-and-so tested positive for a banned substance and is suspended for four games." Second offense is ten games. Third is a season. No delay, no mystery. What other sports like tennis and running are doing where every offense has a unique outcome is a crime.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 67 of 69 (912580)
09-12-2023 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Percy
08-19-2023 2:33 PM


Re: And Now, Introducing L'affaire Halep
Halep has been banned for four years, effectively ending her tennis career. Even if an entire nunnery had testified they’d seen her shooting up with multiple banned substances on numerous occasions, so huge a punishment would be beyond the pale.
Halep says she will appeal.
—Percy

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Percy
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Message 68 of 69 (914675)
01-29-2024 10:30 AM


Skating Joins Tennis
After seeing tennis end the careers of Sharipova and Halep, skating has joined tennis by ending the career of Kamila Valieva, banner her from skating competition for four years.
For comparison, penalties for first offense doping violations are all less than a single season in MLB, the NBA, the NFL and the NHL.
I've railed on and on about the injustice of these incredibly extreme punishments. There's nothing more I can add. I can only repeat that it continues to be absurd.
--Percy

  
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Message 69 of 69 (919944)
08-22-2024 9:31 AM


Halep Wins, But This is Not Justice!
This news is much delayed, probably because the New York Times has placed their sports reporting behind another paywall. I have a New York Times subscription, but this doesn't give me access to their sports pages.
The big news is that back in March of this year Halep won her appeal of her four year ban from tennis, which would have effectively ended her tennis career. Probably no one will be able to read this, but here's the link: Simona Halep gets her biggest win — but there is no making up for lost time.
The ruling bodies in tennis covered themselves in further anti-glory with their ruling on world number 1 Jannik Sinner, whose doping charges were overturned in record time after he twice tested positive for clostebol. He lost no time off the tour compared to Halep's twenty months and Sharapova's fourteen months.
Despite her courtroom victory, Halep will not be appearing at this year's U.S. Open that begins next week at Flushing Meadow in New York City. She has not returned to the court due to a knee injury suffered during practice while maintaining her level of play and conditioning. She has not appeared in a professional match in two years.
The penalties for doping in tennis, running and skating are absurd. The most common penalty seems to be four years, which is career ending. Even a successful challenge takes at least a year. By way of contrast, in the NFL the penalty for the first doping offense is four games, the second is ten games, the third is a season. No delay, no endless hearings and court challenges.
--Percy

  
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