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Pressie Member (Idle past 229 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Vladimir writes: All the experts are trying to solve the problem of the origin of life only through protocells as the membrane compartments. Really? That's not the impression I got from the work of specialists such as Craig Venter and his labs. Has he reviewed your work?
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Vladimir Matveev Junior Member (Idle past 3029 days) Posts: 25 From: St.Petersburg, Russia Joined: |
quote:A Reviwer rejected my MS wrote: "Dr. Matveev is convinced that the best model of a precellular structure are the so-called Fox microspheres, a belief that is shared by very few researchers nowadays, many of which are convinced that liposomes, micelles and equivalent microstructures are a much more realistic model of precellular structures." As to Craig Venter, peer review is anonymous. This Craig Venter ( Sandwalk: Craig Venter Discusses the Tree of Life ) is far from physical aspects of the origin of life.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2951 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Vladimir
I apparently misunderstood you from the beginning. Many times when you wrote something, I interpreted it as saying the opposite. Others seem to have had much more success understanding you than I have, so I will leave it to them. My apologies for the misapprehensions.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Vladimir Matveev Junior Member (Idle past 3029 days) Posts: 25 From: St.Petersburg, Russia Joined: |
Vladimir Matveev. The great basic question of science: Membrane compartment or non-membrane phase compartment is a physical basis for origin of life?
Oral presentation at The 2nd All-Russian Conference on Astrobiology. Moscow, Pushchino, 5-9 June 2016. Video in English: https://youtu.be/Hn7A-1w0tuQ Presentation slides in English as pdf:http://www.bioparadigma.spb.ru/....of.science_Eng_Slides.pdf Comments for slides in English:http://www.bioparadigma.spb.ru/...f.science_Comments_Eng.pdf
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 852 Joined: |
Hey Vladimir,
So I've been busy over the past couple of months, but will gradually be responding to posts and a Great Debate thread. Anyway, I had a look at your presentation slides. It's an interesting hypothesis you propose. However, I'm not sure I quite see how it approaches the origin of life in a more effective manner than, e.g., Fox's microspheres. For starters, your model doesn't seem to address the origin of lipid membranes, a genetic code, and more sophisticated molecular machinery like F-ATPases. I'm probably missing something here, but I'm not sure I quite see what specific problem your model solves. (Of course, it doesn't have to "solve" a problem necessarily, since exploratory science -- where alternatives models are offered -- can often be useful)
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Vladimir Matveev Junior Member (Idle past 3029 days) Posts: 25 From: St.Petersburg, Russia Joined: |
I'm probably missing something here, but I'm not sure I quite see what specific problem your model solves.
Hey, Genomics, Phase approach has full experimental evidences in support of. Membrane approach has no such evidences. My (phase) model disproves membrane approach. However, the membrane approach is commonly accepted approach to solving the problem of the origin of life. This is my main contribution. Thanks for the answer.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 229 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Vladimir Matveev writes: So, you agree that life was not poofed into existence.
I'm probably missing something here, but I'm not sure I quite see what specific problem your model solves. Hey, Genomics, Phase approach has full experimental evidences in support of. Membrane approach has no such evidences. My (phase) model disproves membrane approach. However, the membrane approach is commonly accepted approach to solving the problem of the origin of life. This is my main contribution. Thanks for the answer.
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Vladimir Matveev Junior Member (Idle past 3029 days) Posts: 25 From: St.Petersburg, Russia Joined: |
"So, you agree that life was not poofed into existence."
Biophase is the physical basis of life, and therefore it originated on this basis and exists on the same basis. Please see my presentation for details. Thanks.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 229 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Vladimir Matveev writes: So, you agree that life was not poofed into existence?
Biophase is the physical basis of life, and therefore it originated on this basis and exists on the same basis.Please see my presentation for details. Thanks.
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Vladimir Matveev Junior Member (Idle past 3029 days) Posts: 25 From: St.Petersburg, Russia Joined: |
"So, you agree that life was not poofed into existence?"
Nobody knows the answer to this question. Fundamentally important question: what is the correct model of the living cell.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 229 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
So, you agree that life was not poofed into existence.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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So, you agree that life was not poofed into existence. Didn't he answer that question already? He says that nobody knows. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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Pressie Member (Idle past 229 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
No, he didn't. At all. I do know that life isn't poofed into existence.
I can look at myself. I am the product of a "sperm" from my father and an "egg" from my mother. I wasn't poofed into existence. All those boil down to would be called chemical reactions. I'm a result of chemical reactions. So, I do know that life isn't poofed into existence. No Spooks involved. What's his evidence that life can be poofed into existence? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 852 Joined: |
I do know that life isn't poofed into existence. C'mon, Pressie. You're looking for an argument where there isn't one. For starters, you didn't ask if life is poofed into existence. You asked if he thought life was poofed into existence. That nuance may be subtle, but it matters, because it makes your whole analogy kinda tangential. And just read his freakin' paper. I'm guessing you have what it takes to grasp at least some of it. His model is based on the adsorption of water molecules on polypeptide surfaces. No poofing involved. Case closed.
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Vladimir Matveev Junior Member (Idle past 3029 days) Posts: 25 From: St.Petersburg, Russia Joined: |
His model is based on the adsorption of water molecules on polypeptide surfaces. No poofing involved.
Genomics, please give us a model which is proved as the cradle of life.
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