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Author Topic:   The Bundys and the Armed Occupation of a National Wildlife Refuge
JonF
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Message 91 of 254 (777082)
01-25-2016 10:24 PM


I am convinced that space aliens are playing a huge practical joke on us.
One of the militia wants to sumo-wrestle Chris Christie to settle the grievances.
Militiaman Wants To Fight Chris Christie Sumo Style Over Constitution

  
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Message 92 of 254 (777091)
01-26-2016 1:58 AM


Demands
This is ridiculous... They are making demands of the FBI.
Demands by Oregon standoff leaders defy logic and law, authorities say - oregonlive.com

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RAZD
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Message 93 of 254 (777102)
01-26-2016 9:00 AM
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01-26-2016 1:58 AM


Re: Demands
For a recording (video) that Ammon Bundy posted of his talk with the negotiator see Ammon Bundy Gave His List Of Demands To The FBI Get Ready To Laugh Your A$$ Off (VIDEO)
Full transcript plus his smirking face.
Enjoy

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Message 94 of 254 (777103)
01-26-2016 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Asgara
01-26-2016 1:58 AM


Re: Demands
The folk are simply using the same process that self-identified "Biblical Christians" us, pick out what supports your position and ignore what refutes it. It works whether you are talking about the Constitution, the Bible, History, reality, any subject. The only requirement is that you be willfully dishonest and ignorant.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 95 of 254 (777104)
01-26-2016 9:17 AM
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01-26-2016 9:00 AM


Re: Demands
and in a follow up report from Maine ...
This is what happens when the government gives people handouts, they feel like they are entitled ...

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NoNukes
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Message 96 of 254 (777108)
01-26-2016 9:50 AM
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01-26-2016 9:13 AM


Re: Demands
The only requirement is that you be willfully dishonest and ignorant.
I don't think these guys lie anymore. Yeah, they must have started out as pure liars, but by now at least some of them have come around to believing their own BS. It is exactly the same as with the Bible, Constitution, History, just as you say. Cherry pick a phrase here, a verse there, and recite half a quote and claim that John Paul Jones[1] said it, and you've got a lie formed out of facts.
I find it amusing that the article spends time analyzing whether or not it is even possible for the executive branch to meet the demands.
[1] Go Navy!!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 97 of 254 (777125)
01-26-2016 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Asgara
01-26-2016 1:58 AM


Re: Demands
The state police arrest another dimwit on his way to join the Bundy Bubbas so he can "kill federal agents." This is in Hines, a suburb of Burns. It is actually funny to watch, in a sad way. The guy claims to be a Green Beret colonel who's records were sealed by Reagan.
OSP Contact with subject at Hines Market - 1-25-2016 ***WARNING -Graphic Language***
The story is taking on a life of its own. If claims in the story are even partially true, Oregon is becoming ground zero for a much larger revolution against the United States and has been secretly occupied by a much larger force who want to use firearms to achieve their bizarre goals. Bundys escalating showdown with feds as support dwindles and lone wolves come looking for trouble
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Other militia sources say they want to hold emergency elections to replace Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who they believe is trashing the Constitution and serving illegally because he was appointed just days before the occupation began.
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The common law grand jury is an extralegal tactic used by the sovereign citizen movement, which means adherents pick which laws to obey according to their legal musings. DeMoreta-Folch is so extreme he has been denounced as a tyrant and unlearned and unstable by other proponents of the common law grand jury.
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When DeMoreta-Folch was asked on what legal basis he was using the Magna Carta if the Constitution was the supreme law of the land, he yelled, The Magna Carta is the supreme law of the land! The Bible is the supreme law of the land! When reporters asked him the names and numbers of grand jurors, Demoreta-Folch threatened to charge the reporters with felonies in his Star Chamber.
This is really garbled. The Harney County Committee of Safety was formed before the occupation began but seems to now disagree with the criminals. The Burns Fire Chief, who recently resigned seems to be a member of this self-appointed group.
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In a one-on-one discussion earlier, Ryan Bundy rejected having the land go to the current county government. He said control will go to the militia’s hand-picked allies, the Harney County Committee of Safety.
The Committee of Safety selected six members in mid-December, and issued its founding proclamation after the armed occupation began. The committee, which says it is based on frontier colonial militias that safeguarded property and lives from the savages, decries how today Federal agencies are constrained and at the mercy of small but vocal groups of radical. It has drawn up plans for full capacity timber and grazing on all federal lands in Harney County, which it says will require common-sense changes to environmental laws like the Endangered Species Act. But at the event Ammon Bundy said the militia was going to open the land to everyone: ranchers, loggers, sportsmen, hikers, and birders.
Ryan Bundy also said even if Washington gave all federal lands to the Committee of Safety, the militia would stay to help them. That’s probably because on Jan. 8, six days into the takeover, the Committee of Safety read Ammon Bundy a letter at a town meeting, asking him to hit the road with his militia because you choose to take the aggressive action of occupying the refuge and did it without our knowledge or any other local approval.
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One pair who have been regulars at the camp spoke as if the revolution has already begun, but it was hard to separate fact from fiction from fantasy from delusion. One claimed asymmetricals are joining up. By that he meant lone wolves radicalized over the Internet were flocking to the Bundy crusade. He said 300 to 400 militia members were bunked out in nearby towns and homes ready to strike, and local law enforcement and sheriff’s deputies in other counties were providing covert support. He also asserted there were plans to move on Bureau of Land Management holdings in 20 different counties.
The pair warned it’s going to come to bloodshed, and when it does it will be officer against officer as police and soldiers joined their cause. The two were eager to discuss how our food, water, medicine, and energy are all poisoned, and when sodium fluoride in the water combines with mercury-thimerosal vaccines, it leads to brain changes. The discussion was not complete without a brief foray into 9/11 conspiracy theories and talk of other mysterious murders.
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While the Bundys appear keen to live to fight another day, the same can’t be said of gun-toting followers who’ve told the Raw Story they are willing to be martyred. The Bundys have created all the conditions for an inferno, and they can’t seem to figure out whether to douse it or keep stoking the flames.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 98 of 254 (777128)
01-26-2016 1:41 PM


Anti-occupation fundraiser pulls in $78,000
Thank you, Bundys! Oregon anti-occupation fundraiser pulls in $78,000
ABE: $81,471.50 now!
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

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Message 99 of 254 (777132)
01-26-2016 2:07 PM
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01-26-2016 9:50 AM


Re: Demands
I don't think these guys lie anymore.
There comes a time when lying becomes so ingrained that they can not even tell when they are lying to themselves as well as everyone else.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 100 of 254 (777134)
01-26-2016 2:59 PM
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01-26-2016 2:07 PM


Re: Demands
There comes a time when lying becomes so ingrained that they can not even tell when they are lying to themselves as well as everyone else.
The easiest person to fool is yourself + it is easier to fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled.
A recipe for gullible people to willingly court disaster.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 101 of 254 (777163)
01-26-2016 9:45 PM


Bundys in custody, 1 dead
Apparently 2 others shot Pete Santilli: Militants supporter says Ammon Bundy in custody
ABE: Bundys in custody, one militant dead after gunfight near Burns
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RAZD
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Message 102 of 254 (777167)
01-26-2016 10:18 PM
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01-26-2016 9:45 PM


Re: Bundy in custody
More:
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Just In: Ammon Bundy Arrested After Two Oregon Militia Members Shot In Firefight
Law enforcement has finally made their move. Ammon Bundy, theleader of the armed militia that took over the Malheur Wildlife Refugea few weeks ago, wastaken into custody by federal agents.Eightmilitants have been arrestedfollowing a traffic stop; two have been shot; details are still sketchy at the moment.
The group was apparently ambushed on their way toacommunity meeting in the town of John Day with Grant County Sheriff Glen Palmer and other citizens, who were planning on telling them to leave —and not for the first time.The highway has been closed off. AnAirLink medivac helicopterhas been dispatched to scene, indicating that at least one has serious injuries.KTVZ noted thatunconfirmed police scanner reports indicated the pilots were advised armed officers would be meeting the helicopter when it returns to Bend, indicating that it was a militant that was wounded.
About time. Now round up the other children.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 103 of 254 (777168)
01-26-2016 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by RAZD
01-26-2016 10:18 PM


Re: Bundy in custody
The group was apparently ambushed on their way to a community meeting in the town of John Day with Grant County Sheriff Glen Palmer and other citizens, who were planning on telling them to leave
Actually, the Grant County sheriff, Glen Palmer is a supporter of the Bundys as is the Baker County Sheriff Travis Ash. Ash is also a posse comitatus wingnut.

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Message 104 of 254 (777177)
01-27-2016 7:28 AM


LaVoy Finicum, a flamboyant media mouthpiece for the traitors, has been telling the media for weeks he would rather die than be arrested.
He has gotten what he wanted.
As expected the rest of the terrorist crowd are calling it murder.
This isn't over. The bloodshed will continue. Don't be surprised if there are deaths in an ambush of federal officers next.
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Message 105 of 254 (777188)
01-27-2016 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by RAZD
01-26-2016 10:18 PM


Re: Bundy in custody
First rule of an occupation is that you've got to actually occupy the place, rather than just calling dibs on it.

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