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LamarkNewAge
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Message 31 of 87 (776069)
01-08-2016 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Theodoric
01-08-2016 9:16 AM


What is your problem with John Mack(rip)?
Ill respond to more of what you said in the future.

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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 87 (776075)
01-08-2016 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
01-08-2016 9:47 AM


Re: What is your problem with John Mack(rip)?
Whether he is dead or not has no bearing on anything.
Also, John Mack has no bearing on your post at all as Bassett was only associated to him for 4 months. To use that short period of time as to give Bassett some mantle of credibility is ludicrous and disingenuous. We have no idea what Mack felt about Barrett. That Barrett was involved with him for so short of time does not say a thing.
Mack himself did not believe in the actual physical reality of aliens. He felt alien abductions and visitations were transcendental, spiritual encounters akin to a vision quest. All in all he took aliens and turned them into psychobabble woo.
So using John Mack as an expert does nothing for anyone's contention that there are aliens visiting the earth.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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dronestar
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Message 33 of 87 (776094)
01-08-2016 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
01-03-2016 8:58 AM


Hillary? Ack!
RAZD writes:
Those last two reasons are why I will vote for Hillary if she wins the democratic race against Bernie. Certainly she is the only candidate with massive foreign policy experience and knowledge, and her positions on women's rights and health-care are worth supporting.
"Certainly she is the only candidate with massive foreign policy experience and knowledge"
Huh?
So you're stating that you prefer an experienced candidate who was COMPLETELY supportive for Bush Jr.'s illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq? You WANT a candidate that thinks and acts, EXACTLY like . . . Bush Jr.?
And throughout the illegal and immoral Iraqi occupation, you prefer an experienced candidate who continued to EAGERLY fund the deaths of a million innocent Iraqi citizens? You prefer an experienced candidate whose active role in invading Iraq DIRECTLY caused the creation of ISIL? You prefer THAT type of experienced and knowledgeable candidate?
And a candidate who was more of a hawk than Robert Gates when invading Libya? DIRECTLY causing the spread of more terrorism in the world? You prefer that type of experienced and knowledgeable candidate?
And a person who has no compunction in accepting "contributions" from catastrophic human-right violating nations such as Saudi Arabia and Israel? BTW, how many Saudi Arabia women have been stoned to death or beheaded this week? You prefer this type of "women's-rights" candidate?
Well, forget about dark-skinned, non-christians in OTHER countries. All amerikans know they are just "bug-splat." (The term our brave amerikan military use to describe middle eastern deaths, lovely). What about her own kin? You prefer the type of candidate who would sacrifice her own daughter by continuously exposing her to a serial adulterer, just so that her own selfish political goals can be reached?
Is that the type of experienced and knowledgeable candidate you would vote for?
Curious, while you would reward and vote this type of person into office, I would support her criminal actions be put on trial.
I guess we are two very different types of people RAZD, I would throw away my vote to a third party than to ever consider voting for a war criminal.

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Message 34 of 87 (776096)
01-08-2016 3:52 PM


Cheney gets busted.
I know I am off-topic and a little dated (Dec 03, 2015) with this. But following the theme from my previous post . . .
I said it before and I'll say it again, what type of sociopathic nation honors war criminals with statues?
quote:
On Thursday, Cheney's family unveiled the official bust of the former vice president, . . .
Vice President Joe Biden also spoke at the event, putting aside partisan differences and praising Cheney the man.
"The way you have conducted yourself is a model for anyone in high public office," Biden said.
quote:
Cheney left office in 2009 with a 13 percent approval rating. According to Roll Call, the bust will cost approximately $50,000.
Uber sigh.
Dick Cheney Busted | HuffPost Latest News

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Message 35 of 87 (776100)
01-08-2016 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by dronestar
01-08-2016 3:52 PM


Re: Cheney gets busted.
Maybe it's so pigeons can dump on it.

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Message 36 of 87 (776101)
01-08-2016 4:27 PM
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01-08-2016 4:15 PM


Re: Cheney gets busted.
RAZD writes:
Maybe it's so pigeons can dump on it.
Actually, for an art "performance" project, . . . that idea ain't half bad.
How are you with fund writing RAZD?
Could you ask for three million dollars? One million for you, one million for me, and one million for the pigeons. Then when we get the grant we will all abscond to Rio.
You still got your thong swimsuit?

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Omnivorous
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Message 37 of 87 (776102)
01-08-2016 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by RAZD
01-08-2016 4:15 PM


Re: Cheney gets busted.
RAZD writes:
Maybe it's so pigeons can dump on it.
With all due respect, it should be quails. Maybe they'll hit a Texas lawyer.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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dronestar
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Message 38 of 87 (776103)
01-08-2016 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Omnivorous
01-08-2016 4:42 PM


Re: Cheney gets busted.
Keeping it in the republican family, . . .Dan Quayle?
He would also make an excellent spell checker for the monument's text.

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caffeine
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Message 39 of 87 (776104)
01-08-2016 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by dronestar
01-08-2016 3:52 PM


Re: Cheney gets busted.
I said it before and I'll say it again, what type of sociopathic nation honors war criminals with statues?
Most nations build statues of war criminals. Pretty standard.

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Message 40 of 87 (776133)
01-09-2016 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by dronestar
01-08-2016 3:42 PM


Re: Hillary? Ack!

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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RAZD
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Message 41 of 87 (776139)
01-09-2016 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by dronestar
01-08-2016 3:42 PM


Re: Hillary? Ack!
So you're stating that you prefer an experienced candidate who was COMPLETELY supportive for Bush Jr.'s illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq? You WANT a candidate that thinks and acts, EXACTLY like . . . Bush Jr.?
Hillary has baggage and is an opportunist agreed.
But that doesn't change the fact that she knows who we are dealing with and has the best handle on what they want. Politics is the art of compromise so that both participants leave with something (as opposed to the GOP hostage taking tactics).
Any of the current GOP candidates would be live canons ready to start a war over the slightest excuse.
So if it comes down to choosing Hillary or a warmonger GOP I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
Because Supreme Court Justices -- 2 or 3 could be appointed by the next president, and one more activist radical GOP appointment could cause decades of progress to be washed away in a single trumped up case (like Hobby Lobby and Citizens United).
Curious, while you would reward and vote this type of person into office, I would support her criminal actions be put on trial.
Standard GOP Faux Noise Nutwerk echo chamber propaganda. You want to put someone on trial for criminal actions start with Schrubbia and Big Dick Cheney, and then we can talk about who else rises to that level.
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14174dm
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Message 42 of 87 (776280)
01-11-2016 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
01-03-2016 6:37 AM


Voting against not for
quote:
Are there any candidates that you like? If so, why have they received your approval?
No, I don't "like" any of them. In the 30+ years of voting, I can't think of a candidate I've voted for. I usually vote against the worse candidate.
To me both major U.S. parties are the parties of "ME ME ME". There doesn't seem to be a party of "US".
Amongst my friends, the Republicans have a small advantage but it's with voters holding their noses.
You would think that we would be the stalwart base of the Republicans - white, middle age, middle class, middle Americans with college educations, frequently own or work for small businesses.
I think the politicians don't realize one thing that occurs to many small business people - NO WAY would I hire the majority of politicians. Too focused on themselves, making promises they know they can't keep, thinking that short term wins on petty issues is leadership.
(Cue rant that nobody wants to hear)

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RAZD
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Message 43 of 87 (776305)
01-11-2016 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by 14174dm
01-11-2016 12:01 PM


Re: Voting against not for
Welcome to the fray, 14174dm,
You would think that we would be the stalwart base of the Republicans - white, middle age, middle class, middle Americans with college educations, frequently own or work for small businesses.
Curiously I have to wonder why you would stick with the republican party when all they do is take your votes and then pander to the very rich and ignore you.
I think the politicians don't realize one thing that occurs to many small business people - NO WAY would I hire the majority of politicians. Too focused on themselves, making promises they know they can't keep, thinking that short term wins on petty issues is leadership.
Perhaps if you made a list of what you want from government and then see which party comes closer to those needs (in deeds not just in sound-bites), you might find that the new GOP just doesn't truly share your values and it is time for a change.
Look at Bernie Sanders with honest evaluation of his positions on the issues, not with knee-jerk reaction to the word "socialist" but with understanding that each person is entitled to a fair share of the profits of a company, that health care is not something that should be arbitrated by corporations but a universal right.
The democrats today are basically the republicans of my youth -- Obama is to the right or Reagan.
Personally I would like to see a more social equality platform as it is a strong middle class that really allows small businesses to thrive and the actions of the GOP have been to strangle the middle class.
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dronestar
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Message 44 of 87 (776307)
01-11-2016 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by RAZD
01-09-2016 10:07 AM


Re: Hillary? Ack!
RAZD writes:
But that doesn't change the fact that she knows who we are dealing with and has the best handle on what they want.
Agreed. She's been actively dealing and supporting war criminals, dictators, and human right violators for many, many years, and knows the best way to give them what they want. As a matter of fact, ISIL sings her praise all of the time. Indeed, terrorists like ISIL simply wouldn't exist without good ol' "people" like Hillary creating middle east conflict and then arming them to the teeth with advanced US weaponry.
RAZD writes:
Any of the current GOP candidates would be live canons ready to start a war over the slightest excuse.
Yeah, as a life-long war-hawk, no one could possibly expect that out of Hillary.
RAZD writes:
So if it comes down to choosing Hillary or a warmonger GOP I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
I am sure the miilion dead Iraqis from Hillary's support and funding of the illegal and immoral Iraqi invasion will be impressed by your high standards.
RAZD writes:
Standard GOP Faux Noise Nutwerk echo chamber propaganda.
*chuckle* Yeah, Faux News ALWAYS talk about the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq.
RAZD writes:
You want to put someone on trial for criminal actions start with Schrubbia and Big Dick Cheney, and then we can talk about who else rises to that level.
I see.
So what you are saying is: if you cannot have the SPECIFIC ORDER of arrests that YOU mandate, you would prefer ALL mass-murderers to stay free. In addition, until that time when YOUR specific war criminals that you choose are tried, you would prefer we reward some mass murderers with positions in high offices.
Kudos RAZD, kudos.

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Message 45 of 87 (776310)
01-11-2016 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by dronestar
01-11-2016 5:15 PM


Re: Hillary? Ack!
Your zeal makes you easy to brush off.
Your stance requires the acceptance of facts you haven't established here, other than with the spray of a zealot's links, as well as opinions that must seem as natural to you as breathing by now, but aren't to others.
There's really only one response to the ultimatum of 'agree with me or you're a moral monster'.
It's short, pithy and Anglo-Saxon. Modesty forbids.
Edited by Omnivorous, : shortened shorty to short

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