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Message 16 of 87 (775723)
01-04-2016 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
01-03-2016 6:37 AM


Hyroglyphx writes:
... who is in the White House matters to the entire human population.
Not really. One American nut is as bad as the next.

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Message 17 of 87 (775728)
01-04-2016 1:37 PM


I would of cast my vote for Joe Biden if he would of ran.
I'll vote for Bernie in the Primary and Trump in the General.
I decided to become a accelerationist.
Let the G.O.P have the reins back.
With full control they will have to actually govern rather than continue the partisan gridlock and obstructionist pattern we have been on. Hopefully after four years of Cthulhu, Armageddon and blaming everything on the previous administration; American's will finally see the horror that is the G.O.P.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 18 of 87 (775744)
01-04-2016 4:09 PM
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01-04-2016 1:37 PM


Golden Ratio writes:
I would of cast my vote for Joe Biden if he would of ran.
I'll vote for Bernie in the Primary and Trump in the General.
I decided to become a accelerationist.
Let the G.O.P have the reins back.
Sorry, pal - I have 2 very young granddaughters whose livelihoods are at great peril should the GOP get POTUS. There is this thing called the Supreme Court.
Trump, et al, on that side are a HUGE PERSONAL THREAT.
p.s. - In that regard, Biden should return to the Senate, along with Russ Feingold and many others.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 19 of 87 (775753)
01-04-2016 5:35 PM
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01-04-2016 1:37 PM


I'll vote for Bernie in the Primary and Trump in the General.
Yeah, just don't. Don't vote for Trump. Like xongsmith, there are very real (and egregiously harmful) personal impacts that would develop for individuals close to me if Trump ascended to the presidency.
And of course he's just bad all-around.

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Message 20 of 87 (775757)
01-04-2016 5:46 PM
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01-04-2016 5:35 PM


Ok. I'll not vote for Trump. Thanks for bringing back to the fold of sanity.
**I was just kidding of course, unlike a good deal of the Republican base that will be voting for that bag of shit.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 21 of 87 (775788)
01-04-2016 11:24 PM


Something interesting about Hillary.
There has been one issue that I possibly love about her, but wasn't 100% sure how real it was.
Let me explain (this is all going by memory so forgive errors). There was something interesting that happened after Bill Clinton won in 1992. Larry Rockefeller approached him (March 23 1993 I think) with a desire to have the government start to look at the UFO issue. The result was something called the "Rockefeller UFO Initiative" or something and it was chaired by a Dr. C.B. Jones (I think that's the name).
An enthusiastic researcher/activist named Steven Bassett (sp?) was able to use FOIA requests to get this secret divulged. He also got ahold of a picture of Hillary walking with Rockefeller, and he figured out that it was a book, by an astrophysicist, Paul Davies, titled Are We Alone?.
Bassett calls the government silence "The Truth Embargo" but he has insisted that Hillary is a believer and she might make it known if she is asked.
Guess what?
She was asked (a week ago it seems) and her response was pretty cool.
http://thehill.com/...ton-aliens-may-have-visited-us-already
Now I suddenly like her.

  
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Message 22 of 87 (775789)
01-05-2016 12:48 AM


The news pages are lighting up with the issue.
CNN says it was a joke, but all the others aren't indicating any humor at all.
Hillary Clinton (jokingly) pledges UFO probe | CNN Politics
I'll bet Steven Bassett will be the guest on the Coast to Coast show that starts in about 20 minutes.

  
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Message 23 of 87 (775790)
01-05-2016 12:56 AM


Apparantly this is the original source
http://www.conwaydailysun.com/...romises-to-investigate-ufos
From December 30
Just discovered by the wider media now it seems.

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Message 24 of 87 (775926)
01-06-2016 5:15 PM
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01-05-2016 12:56 AM


Washinton Times showed British press picked up on Jan 3
A campaign promise: Hillary Clinton vows to investigate UFOs, Area 51 and alien visitors - Washington Times
quote:
It was an unusual question, but the candidate answered it. During a campaign stop late last week in New Hampshire, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton was asked her opinion about UFOs and whether the U.S. government would ever acknowledge the existence of such unearthly craft.
In a casual conversation with the Conway Daily Sun, a local paper, Mrs. Clinton vowed, Yes, I’m going to get to the bottom of it. She later added, I think we may already have been visited. We don’t know for sure. Mrs. Clinton also suggested that a future task force could be assembled to investigate Area 51, a top secret military installation in Nevada long rumored to have had dealings with UFOS.
It did not take long for the global media to pick up on the exchange. The British press in particular have seized upon the story, which also has a role for former President Bill Clinton - who joins his wife on the campaign trail this week - and former White House adviser John Podesta.
(article has hyper links)
And they mentioned Stephen Bassett. (btw it was a journalist Jim Chapman who did the FOIA requests on the Rockefeller Clinton study)

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Message 25 of 87 (775940)
01-06-2016 11:27 PM
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01-06-2016 5:15 PM


Re: Washinton Times showed British press picked up on Jan 3
I guess this is miles better than Nancy Reagan's complete capitulation with Astrology.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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anglagard
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Message 26 of 87 (775946)
01-07-2016 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by LamarkNewAge
01-06-2016 5:15 PM


Re: Washinton Times showed British press picked up on Jan 3
If Hilary Clinton wants to waste taxpayer money looking for evidence of space alien visitation, then that is yet another reason to support Bernie Sanders.
Are there any other stupid investigations she is considering wasting money on? Bigfoot? Loch Ness Monster? Royal Family as lizards? Cold fusion? Velikovsky "astrophysics"?
I have a better idea. Why not spend that money on science education? Certainly looks like some people, especially politicians, could use more.
A lot more.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 27 of 87 (775949)
01-07-2016 2:41 AM


Early Donald Trump Political Ad
Ted Cruz is reportedly upset the ad did not include more "American" flags.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

  
LamarkNewAge
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Message 28 of 87 (776045)
01-07-2016 11:18 PM


Had a feeling Hillary would be ridiculed.
I really need to start a thread on astronauts and their witnessing of UFOs.
I was listening to Coast to Coast (assuming Noorey forgot about Stephen Bassett) and I was surprised to see that he was on the final 2 hours of the Jan 7 radio show (or "Jan 6 show" start for mountain and western zones, but the Bassett segments were started on Jan 7 regardless).
Bassett said that 25 of the 33 Rockefeller Initiative members are still alive. Craham Cameron was the one who did the FOIA requests (where I got "Jim Chapman" I have no idea. I googled him and he isn't somebody I know anything about.) Dr. Gibbons was the chair not a "C. B. Young" as I said (I have no clue what I was talking about. Never heard of him either. whew!)
Hillary Clinton's Conway Sun interview was covered in 80 mainstream media articles in English, and 250+ foreign languages. "The truth embargo is generally coming apart right now", Bassett said. He hopes Obama will be the "disclosure President". He imagines that the twelve GOP candidates might consider bringing this up. He said it will be disappointing if the NBC moderators of the Jan 17 debate ignore this one, but they very well could. I wouldn't put it past them (consider the dishonest CNN spin). He said it is "absolutely critical" that she gives a good response, if the issue arises, and it could mean the beginning of the end for the 'truth embargo" starting this month. He has hope that "John Podesta advises her well".
The interesting thing about Stephen Bassett is that he is still highlighting astronaut Edgar Mitchell, former Canadians Defense Minister Paul Hellyer, and Robert Salas as supporters of his congressional hearing initiative. The Hillary Clinton issue seems to have gotten the world a sort of "Presidential hearing" type of issue that seems as rock solid as anything.
He doesn't consider his work over until the disclosure actually happens.

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Message 29 of 87 (776066)
01-08-2016 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by LamarkNewAge
01-07-2016 11:18 PM


Re: Had a feeling Hillary would be ridiculed.
Stephen Bassett? Really? Have you listened to the guy? He is a crank with little to no expertise.
quote:
Who is Stephen Bassett?
In 1995 Bassett decided to bring a 15-year background in business development and consulting and a degree in physics into the issues surrounding extraterrestrial-related phenomena. His point of entry was a four-month stint working at the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research (PEER), founded by the late Dr. John Mack in Cambridge, MA
He has no problem consorting with known charlatans.
quote:
Bassett wants so much to bring the issue of ET Disclosure in front of the public that he appears willing to do anything at all to further his cause. At an appearance on The Paracast he was asked by David & Gene why he gave credence to known charlatans. He stated that it didn’t matter if the people who took the stage were credible or not. All that mattered was to get the idea before the public.
He said, The problem is not about our opinions about who is a laughingstock. It’s all about the government. Don’t worry about the individual aspects of people in the field. I don’t care about your background. Credibility is not an issue in the Disclosure process. I just don’t care. It’s not my concern and I’m not in a position to sort it out. I don’t give a damn.
So we know he doesn't give a damn about the science or evidence. How? He says so.
http://www.ufoandalientruthnetwork.com/...ure-project-hoax-2
Edgar Mitchell
quote:
Mitchell claims that a teenage remote healer who lives in Vancouver and uses the pseudonym Adam Dreamhealer helped him heal kidney cancer from a distance. Mitchell said that while he never had a biopsy, "I had a sonogram and MRI that was consistent with renal carcinoma." Adam worked (distantly) on Mitchell from December 2003 until June 2004, when the "irregularity was gone and we haven't seen it since"
Seems he will believe anything.
Edgar Mitchell - Wikipedia
And of course he has no evidence. Evidence is kind of important.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/...believers/#.Vo_D5lmeBPY
Mr Hellyer.
quote:
In an interview with RT (formerly Russia Today) in 2014, Hellyer said that at least four species of aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years, with most of them coming from other star systems, although there are some living on Venus, Mars and Saturn’s moon. According to him, they "don't think we are good stewards of our planet."
'nuff said
Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer says aliens will help humans if we stop wars
Robert Salas has been totally debunked.
Did It Really Happen?: Did UFOs Disable Minuteman Missiles at Malmstrom AFB in 1967?
quote:
That leaves us with the question of what to make of Salas. Given that his account of Malmstrom has been debunked, we are are left with only two possibilities. Carlson and others believe Salas has been lying since the beginning, and I concede that this is a possibility. But there is a second possibility: that Salas honestly believes the story he is now telling because he has confabulated events (his confusion caused in part by the hypnosis he underwent in the 1990s), and possibly because he is suffering from some sort of psychological issues.
Does the "alien abduction" account that he relates above provide further evidence for the psychological angle and the conclusion that Salas, whilst honest, is confused. Or does it indicate that Salas is doubling down on his original story by expanding the lie and looking for a new angle to gin up the audience (a pattern that could be seen with many of the Contactees in the 1950s, for example, or Billy Meier). If I had to choose between the two, Occam's Razor tells me that even though my default position is to believe the best about people, Carlson et al are correct, and Salas is just another genial huckster in a long line of hucksters who present ever-changing stories. But I don't think the alternate possibility can be ruled out, even if it is perhaps less and less likely as his story grows more convoluted.
The Other Side of Truth: The Strange Case of Robert Salas
So there is the cast of nutballs and charlatans involved in this. I am sure these guys have the secret truth that eludes everyone else

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 30 of 87 (776067)
01-08-2016 9:27 AM
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01-07-2016 11:18 PM


Re: Had a feeling Hillary would be ridiculed.
He doesn't consider his work over until the disclosure actually happens.
Then he will probably be waiting for a long, long time.
Imagine what will happen when, as all the scientists here know to be the strict nature of Relativity, it turns out there is nothing to disclose? Nothing will happen. Nothing will change. This alien nonsense will titillate new generations for another 60 years until another blue ribbon commission is impaneled and reports that there really isn't anything there. And the cycle will repeat until we extinguish ourselves in our own filth when the community of aliens could have saved us but refused because, as a species, we're too fuckin' stupid.

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