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Author Topic:   Matthew 12:40 Using Common Idiomatic Language?
Phat
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Message 74 of 168 (821195)
10-03-2017 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by kbertsche
10-03-2017 2:16 PM


Re: Why?
Faith has just given you some good extra-biblical evidence (a quote from a first century rabbi). Why don't you address this evidence?
Reality suggests that evidence can be assembled either pro or con for virtually any real life situation.
After reading the recent posts at this topic, I went to google and quickly found an apologist who argued the "heart of the earth" vs empty tomb argument. In reality, though...Jesus only lives in the heart and mind of the people. It is what we do rather than whether or not He is alive. Scary to think that I am finally agreeing with jar about something!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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Message 133 of 168 (826356)
12-29-2017 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by rstrats
12-29-2017 9:46 AM


Topic?
Greetings, rstrats. Now what is the topic again?
Im trying to differentiate your comments in this thread from the main topic started by the originator. (Im in a talkative mood today...but I need to step away from this computer before my head implodes!)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 139 of 168 (846417)
01-05-2019 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by rstrats
01-05-2019 4:52 PM


Matthew 12:40 Remix with our boy here
What's your basic argument in your own words? Why do you accept the explanation that you believe and reject the critics? Don't be a troll now...stick around and have a discussion. (I'm off to work...be back later)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 144 of 168 (846443)
01-06-2019 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by rstrats
01-05-2019 8:33 PM


Purpose of The Topic
rstrats writes:
I've read your question over several times and I'm afraid I don't understand it. Could you rephrase it?
Sure. Looking back through this topic of yours, I see your prime motivation.
rsrrats writes:
There are some who have said that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. I should think that one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern was used in order to say that it was common. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise, i.e., examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred.
jar brings up the point of "so what"? Basically, he was answering your question by agreeing with you that there likely was no example of common Jewish idiomatic speech. So I guess my question is why keep the topic going? There are no members who will counter your assertion. My basic question is what now? Where is the topic going? What are the implications if your argument is true? Do you believe that the Bible is in any way inerrant, reliable, or accurate in its claims? If your three points can be accepted, what is your ending conclusion? (I will compliment you though for hanging in there with EvC for over three years! )

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 148 of 168 (846458)
01-06-2019 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by rstrats
01-06-2019 2:01 PM


Re: Purpose of The Topic
Its time you learned how to format better posts. Below is a reprint of your reply to me with formatting included. Press the peek button to see what I did.
quote:
Phat writes:
"Sure. Looking back through this topic of yours, I see your prime motivation.
From what you've written I don't think that you do.
Phat writes:
"jar brings up the point of 'so what'?"
That's an issue for a different topic.
Phat writes:
" Basically, he was answering your question by agreeing with you that there likely was no example of common Jewish idiomatic speech."
He couldn't have been agreeing with me because I never said that.
"So I guess my question is why keep the topic going?"
Because there is always the possibility that someone new may visit this topic.
"What are the implications if your argument [assertion] is true?"
My assertion is that for someone to say that the Messiah was employing the common figure of speech/colloquial language, then the person would have to know of examples in order to legitimately make the assertion of commonality. So if that is true, then it's more than an implication - it's a fact.
"Do you believe that the Bible is in any way inerrant, reliable, or accurate in its claims?"
I have no belief one way or the other with regard to your question. It is, however, an issue for a different topic.
"If your three points can be accepted, what is your ending conclusion?"
That my curiosity would be satisfied with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
Phat writes:
"I will compliment you though for hanging in there with EvC for over three years!"
Thanks. I kinda pride myself with having the patience ability.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 159 of 168 (870869)
01-25-2020 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by rstrats
01-25-2020 7:38 AM


I say move on from this topic. Its boring. You can keep waiting for someone new to show up, however. Its now been years.
quote:
Phat writes:
"Sure. Looking back through this topic of yours, I see your prime motivation.
From what you've written I don't think that you do.
Phat writes:
"jar brings up the point of 'so what'?"
That's an issue for a different topic.
Phat writes:
" Basically, he was answering your question by agreeing with you that there likely was no example of common Jewish idiomatic speech."
He couldn't have been agreeing with me because I never said that.
"So I guess my question is why keep the topic going?"
Because there is always the possibility that someone new may visit this topic.
"What are the implications if your argument [assertion] is true?"
My assertion is that for someone to say that the Messiah was employing the common figure of speech/colloquial language, then the person would have to know of examples in order to legitimately make the assertion of commonality. So if that is true, then it's more than an implication - it's a fact.
"Do you believe that the Bible is in any way inerrant, reliable, or accurate in its claims?"
I have no belief one way or the other with regard to your question. It is, however, an issue for a different topic.
"If your three points can be accepted, what is your ending conclusion?"
That my curiosity would be satisfied with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
Phat writes:
"I will compliment you though for hanging in there with EvC for over three years!"
Thanks. I kinda pride myself on having the patience ability.
So here we are and you are still patient. Don't you have anything new to discuss with us, however? Surely you could get a decent topic exchange going on a topic other than this one...
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.lvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott

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