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Author Topic:   The Anti-Spirit of Christmas
Faith 
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Message 16 of 24 (774872)
12-24-2015 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Tanypteryx
12-23-2015 10:07 PM


It was mostly your perfectly disgusting vindictive retribution to some poor harassed person who was probably pressured into firing the food worker --according to the law -- that offended me the most. Who are you to judge people like that? You don't know what those people are up against. And of course your low-life uncivil form of vengeance creeps me out. I'd hope they'd throw the cheerios in your face.
Happy Whatever yourself. Kwanzaa?
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Percy
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Message 17 of 24 (774874)
12-24-2015 7:35 AM


Topic Reminder
I opened this thread to bring attention to a misdeed that made a victim of a person who had compassion for a blameless child, not to serve as an opportunity for the perpetually offended to find something to be offended about.
I felt that a policy making lunch ladies the enforcement arm for a policy of shaming and denial of food was wrong, and expressed the hope that it be changed. From what I can tell, all our sympathies lie in that direction. I hope that any further discussion concentrates not on inappropriately expressed feelings about fellow members, but on the topic and related issues, and is generous in the spirit of the season.
--Percy

  
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Message 18 of 24 (774877)
12-24-2015 8:42 AM


Scrooge Retreats
In today's news: Dalene Bowden, Idaho Cafeteria Worker Fired Over Hungry Student's Free Meal, Offered Job Back
The article reports something probably most people suspected, that not charging a student wasn't the first or only incident (according to the school district), but they did say something I was happy to hear: "In the spirit of the holidays..."
The school district apparently wasn't specific about the other incidents. If they were primarily related to requiring lunch ladies to enforce their unfair policy then the district hasn't a leg to stand on, but there's no way to know.
--Percy

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Message 19 of 24 (774893)
12-24-2015 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Percy
12-24-2015 8:42 AM


Re: Scrooge Retreats
The article reports something probably most people suspected, that not charging a student wasn't the first or only incident
I saw an interview of Dalene a few days ago. She acknowledged that she had been feeding kids illicit lunches (lol) for quite some time, and she made no apologies for doing so. As you suggest, the additional facts don't place the school or the district in any better light.
"In the spirit of the holidays..." may well be school admin speak for not wanting to be cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 20 of 24 (774979)
12-26-2015 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
12-23-2015 4:29 PM


Obviously Dalene failed to follow policy, but I don't think it's right to put a minimum wage lunch lady on the front lines of taking a student's tray away and dumping it (school policy, according to Dalene). If reports are accurate, who could look at the senselessness of the policy (the food is going to be thrown away anyway) and deny a hungry student that food.
Food being thrown away isn't a great reason, otherwise who would ever pay for a meal ever again when you could just wait and say, "Oh, well, if you're gonna throw it out anyways, might as well put it to good use."
The money to pay for the school lunches has to come from somewhere, so either you increase taxes to cover additional expenses like school lunches or you make the parents pay for their children's lunch.
Obviously there are cases where indigent parents cannot pay, and most school systems I've ever known offer exemptions in the form of some free lunch program which is covered by taxes.
I don't think I would have fired her, but it is reasonable to assume she should at least have the incident documented in her file and, should it happen again, then be fired.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 21 of 24 (774980)
12-26-2015 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2015 7:46 PM


Aaand Faith condemns self-righteous indignation. Which is like the Pacific Ocean condemning water.
Not gonna lie... I laughed pretty fucking hard right here.

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Message 22 of 24 (774989)
12-26-2015 2:33 AM
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12-26-2015 12:42 AM


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Message 23 of 24 (775033)
12-26-2015 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Hyroglyphx
12-26-2015 12:37 AM


The money to pay for the school lunches has to come from somewhere, so either you increase taxes to cover additional expenses like school lunches or you make the parents pay for their children's lunch.
This issue was covered in the article. The school does a poor job of telling parents that it is time to pay for the lunch. It looks like their procedure for doing so includes not giving lunch to kids and waiting for the parents to hear a sob story from the kids. Surely that is not the way to do things.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Message 24 of 24 (775061)
12-26-2015 3:15 PM
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12-26-2015 12:02 PM


NoNukes writes:
This issue was covered in the article. The school does a poor job of telling parents that it is time to pay for the lunch. It looks like their procedure for doing so includes not giving lunch to kids and waiting for the parents to hear a sob story from the kids. Surely that is not the way to do things.
And going beyond the specific situation described in the article, I think most people would agree that even if the school had done an excellent job of informing parents, depriving children of a proper lunch is not an appropriate enforcement method.
--Percy

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