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New Cat's Eye
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Message 13 of 41 (770944)
10-16-2015 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
10-16-2015 8:31 AM


Re: Rules for Tipping
but 15% feels way too high
Why do you care? So what if you tip too high?
Is the extra couple of bucks that you loose going to put you out?
For buffets, I just give them $5 regardless of the percentage that comes out to be.
For restaurants, I look at the total, move the decimal place to the left a digit, round up to the nearest whole dollar and then double it.
I figure that the few extra dollars it costs me is negligible, but for them the fact that it comes out to be ~25% tip would make them a lot more happier than it hurts me to loose a couple bucks.
My cost is small, their gain is large. Why not do that for someone? Especially when you're basing the opposition on how you feel about the quantity of the percentage - that doesn't make sense to me. Why care about the the number in the percentage?
(This is all assuming the service isn't bad)

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Message 16 of 41 (770976)
10-16-2015 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
10-16-2015 2:30 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
Responding to Cat Sci, in your scenarios is there still a connection between the tip and the quality of service? If so, it wasn't apparent, and if not, then what's the point of a tip?
Yeah, it was all assuming that the service wasn't bad.
I was just curious why you care about how the number in the percentage feels?
You were torn because 15% felt too high. Why do you care about how the quantity of the percentage feels?
Isn't the typical difference between a 12% tip and a 18% tip negligible to you? (and isn't that typically a significant difference to the server?)
We're talking about a couple dollars, are you that hard up?
Assuming you're not (and that the service is not bad), then why not just give them the extra couple bucks and forget about what percentage that adds up to?
Why do you care about dialing in to just the right quantity of percentage points?
Further, if it's negligible to you, and has the potential of really helping someone else, then why not just be a nice guy and give it to them?
Tip big. It doesn't hurt and you might make someone's day.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 18 of 41 (770979)
10-16-2015 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by NoNukes
10-16-2015 3:28 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
I'd also bet that numbers like these are more representative of what people actually make:
Waiters and Waitresses
As an example, people making about 32K per year are in the 90th percentile of all waiters and waitresses.
Isn't that assuming that servers are reporting all their tips?
The servers I know report about 10% of their tips.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 21 of 41 (770982)
10-16-2015 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by NoNukes
10-16-2015 3:43 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
So the servers you know are actually making $320,000 a year but reporting 32K?
More like they make 50k a year and report 10k in wages and report another 10k in tips. 10% was a bit hyperbolic.
But to your point, you can't really use how much money servers report that they are earning as being the best metric for how much money they are actually taking home.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 23 of 41 (770984)
10-16-2015 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Percy
10-16-2015 3:53 PM


Re: Rules for Tipping
You mean how it feels to the server or how it feels to me?
I was under the impression that you were talking about how it feels to you.
I hadn't considered that you might be talking about how it feels to the server.
Now that you mention it, though, I think that you are over-thinking it. If you are trying to send a message to the server, that they need to improve their service, by lowering your tip by a few percentage points, then I don't think you are achieving your goal.
When you give a low tip, the server most likely just thinks: "that guy was an asshole".
They're not thinking: "Judging from this tip, I need to be more polite and responsive next time"
For myself, uncertainty about whether I got the percentage right and sent the right message about how I felt about the service makes me feel uncomfortable.
Why do you care so much about the percentage quantity?
Too: I don't think you really understand the messages that servers are receiving from their tips. How could they tell from a calculation of the percentage if you saw room for improvement in their service or if you were just a cheap asshole?
They couldn't, right? So how do they get the message?
Maybe some buffet establishments pays their wait staff enough that they don't need tips, and others don't. How would you know which is which? If your fixed $5 is actually stiffing someone with a very low tip, wouldn't you want to know about that?
I don't see how I could be stiffing them when I'm going and getting my own food.
And around me, buffets don't cost $25 so my $5 tip is always >20% - which is a good tip.
It was in a subsequent post that I mentioned that buffets present some uncertainty that makes me feel uncomfortable.
I just don't understand why you care so much about the digits in the percentage.
I'm beginning to think that you think that the server is somehow using those digits to translate a message about how good of a job they did. I don't think that actually happens - and that's where my confusion stems from.
Are you talking about some binary approach where you either tip good or bad depending upon whether the service was good or bad? Or is there more nuance?
At a restaurant, in general, if you don't fuck it up then you're getting a big tip from me (20+%).
And if you suck, then I tell you that you suck and I don't tip you. I don't try to send a message by just adjusting the quantity of the percentage of my tip.
I don't even see how that could send a receivable message. There's no way to tell the difference between a critique of their service and someone just being a cheap asshole.

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