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RAZD Member (Idle past 1664 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I dont see star trek, i think that is fiction Indeed, and the thesis of the thread was that the mysterious patterns in Star Trek episodes were caused by some unknown Intelligent Designer (ID). It is nice to finally have a source for that ID. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Is not a very scientific text, in a classical scientific paper form, but it was very funny and poetic ... You could say the same of the works of Edward Lear. Which are jolly good in their way, but which would not make a good substitute for actual science.
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natabelas Junior Member (Idle past 3358 days) Posts: 7 Joined: |
I see..
ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally. Perhaps you dislike that has a spiritual air, but I also dislike your materialism. You believe that the normal and proper should be yours and I think that your way of seeing things are missing a few fat pieces. Well, I do not like to continue discussing whether it is just insulting .. and see who is cooler (or child)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2365 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
but I also dislike your materialism.
Too bad. We have evidence based on materialism. You have only old tribal myths and superstitions and other nonsense. We win.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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natabelas Junior Member (Idle past 3358 days) Posts: 7 Joined: |
You say:"Our chemicals organize our circuits, not vice versa."
I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here: Endogenous bioelectrical networks store non-genetic patterning information during development and regenerationJust a moment... it can be read: " Studies reveal that the exact channel or pump used to trigger such morphological changes is often irrelevant — many sodium, potassium, chloride, or proton conductances can be used as long as the appropriate bioelectrical state is reached." PD: I dont know english insults so you are at upper level, woo-hoo.
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
natebelas writes: I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here: It's all physics.
PD: I dont know english insults so you are at upper level, woo-hoo. That is one part of the problem. I expect strong ideas to show internal coherence and a sharply focused presentation: the more extraordinary the idea, the more important it is to state the central argument clearly and simply, and the greater the demand for extraordinary evidence. Instead, you dumped a massive load of links to texts, most indecipherable due to poor translation. It might as well be a laundry list or a conspiracy theory of history--no one will read much of it. Why should we? The web is rich with intellectual treasure, ideas coherently formed, clearly presented and evidenced. I've had some fun at your expense, true. Don't take it too personally, but do think about why."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1664 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally. We have all kinds of arguments, we just can't see anything in your initial post, nor in your followups, that require one. What is your thesis? What is the basis for it? How can we test it?
Perhaps you dislike that has a spiritual air, but I also dislike your materialism. Curiously I like to think of it as reality based/anchored. As in we know the earth is very very very old based on testable evidence of that age, and based on consilience from many fields of study.
You believe that the normal and proper should be yours and I think that your way of seeing things are missing a few fat pieces. So what are those pieces, how do you validate them, and how can we test them?
Message 20: You say:"Our chemicals organize our circuits, not vice versa." I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here: If it is physics then you have a testable hypothesis and you have some kind of evidence or basis: what are they? Don't expect us to read links and debate them, rather take from them you most critical point/s and use the link to support your argument Keep it simple and clear, and we'll see what transpires. Enjoy
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jar Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is the length of a resonance chain?
How is that length measured? Why did the collective buy a resonance chain? Am I part of the collective? If so, why was I not asked if I even wanted a resonance chain? What is the frequency of that resonance chain? How was that measured? Why must I evolve to synchronize with that resonance chain even though I don't even want a resonance chain or wear any jewelry?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2957 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined:
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Hi, Natabelas.
natabelas writes: ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally. I can't vouch for the rest of the posters, but I was insulting your source personally, not you. It was a poorly written article with a very silly premise, no good evidence in support of it, and far too much "technobabble" (that is, they used a bunch of words that sound science-y, but do not have any clear meaning). Also, neither of those scientists works at MIT. There is one webpage that says Anirban Bandyopadhyay is "currently a visiting professor in MIT," which means somebody at MIT is hosting him for a collaboration or a short-term teaching/research assignment. Also, I have no confidence in these writer's understanding of biology. It is not common for medical researchers or physicists to have good training in evolutionary biology, and their discussion of evolution in the article you linked to proves that:
quote: Based on this, I would say that Anirban Bandyopadhyay effectively knows nothing about evolution except a couple of "buzzwords," like "struggle for survival" and "survival of the fittest," and he apparently doesn't even understand what these buzzwords are supposed to mean. Evolution was never about "perfect killing machines." I Googled Bandyopadhyay and found his profile page at NIMS (where he actually works). I found this news article about his "evolutionary circuits." He seems to think that his circuits mimic the natural phenomenon of the "evolution of cancer cells," because they can adaptively respond to a wide range of stimuli. This is not the way biologists use the word "evolution," and it is only vaguely similar to anything that biologists would call "evolution." Bandyopadhyay is apparently quite a good electronics researcher with some really innovative ideas in the fields of computation and artificial intelligence. But, he made the mistake of overextending: he is not remotely qualified to discuss evolutionary biology, even though he is a visiting professor at MIT.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Rrhain Member (Idle past 266 days) Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Blue Jay writes:
quote: My general process is to throw open the switches on the sonic oscillator and then to step up the reactor power input three more points.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1664 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
My general process is to throw open the switches on the sonic oscillator and then to step up the reactor power input three more points. Being careful of course not to cause an inadvertent feed-back through the overlord circuit by damping it with a solution made from refined aged potato extract mixed with a fortified essence of the fruit of Mediterranean vine stirred by the application of magnetic resonance on an olive ... ..... . by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
Geez, you guys like to walk right on the very edge of of ultimate danger don't you?
reverse the polarity of the primary phase modulators open the switches on the sonic oscillator application of magnetic resonance on an olive Are you nuts? One misstep and and you would reverse the outerstellar fusal reaction. Then you are just one molecube from overloading the volt/mass inverter. Stop now before it is too early!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2365 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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But whatever you do, remember:
Don't cross the streams! Edited by Coyote, : Fix boo booReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Percy Member Posts: 22954 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
And don't lesnerize.
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natabelas Junior Member (Idle past 3358 days) Posts: 7 Joined: |
well, to see if I can explain better ..
first, targeting high, would be the reference text (at present and as I see it): Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic SystemInformation | Free Full-Text | Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System In which there is talk of creating an intelligent computer based on the computation by resonance between electromagnetic fields that are structured in a fractal way from low to high scale (and hence different frequencies), ranging from interaction with the field generated by biomolecules to large scale (eg brain) by the synchronized action of neuronal firing. They have based their theory (which have already developed some practical section when read) on how works the human mind and actually themselves are finding clues pointing in that direction as the total control (regardless of chemistry) of microtubular growth using electromagnetic fields: K protein self-assembly via tunneling current: effect of electromagnetic pumping during spontaneous growth of microtubuleLive visualizations of single isolated tubulin protein self-assembly via tunneling current: effect of electromagnetic pumping during spontaneous growth of microtubule | Scientific Reports However, apart from the work they have done, for me it is important to see if it can be found important functions of electromagnetic fields on biological systems and at different scales, because if these exist and have an important role may be nothing more and nothing less than a reflection of the fields at different scales pointted above, that is, a reflection of consciousness at different levels. First, I think it should be noted the water as a fundamental part of the biological systems and because its interaction with electromagnetic fields is not trivial at all. In fact this may be the origin of the complexity, here are some texts on the subject: " Emilio and other colleagues extended conventional QED theory to the condensed phase of liquids. They show that interaction between the vacuum electromagnetic field and water induces coherent excitations that lead to the formation of large, stable coherent domains (CDs) about 100 nm in diameter, resulting in the condensation into the liquid phase at some critical density. These CDs are present in liquid water at ordinary temperature and pressure, and may be responsible for all the special properties of water including life itself (Arani et al., 1995; Del Giudice, 2007; Del GiudiceQ6 and Vitiello, 2006; Del Giudice et al., 1988, 2010a,b). Each CD of water is effectively a resonating cavity produced by the electromagnetic field that ends up trapping the field because the photon acquires an imaginary mass, so the frequency of the CD electromagnetic field becomes much smaller than the frequency of the free field with the same wavelength." " EZ water appears to be 10 times more viscous than bulk water and its refractive index and density about 10% higher. It has many other distinctive properties indicative of structure, including a characteristic peak of light absorption at 270 nm. Emilio and colleagues (Del Giudice, 2007; Del Giudice and Q6 Vitiello, 2006; Del Giudice et al., 2010a,b) suggested that EZ water is a gigantic coherent domain stabilized on the surface of the attractive gel, although the higher density of EZ water rules out the tetrahedral-directed ice-like hydrogen bonds proposed for water in the coherent domains in free solution. Pollack (2013) has indeed proposed an entirely different structure for EZ water." taken from: Illuminating Water and Lifehttp://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/16/9/4874/pdf also " The frequency of the trapped EMF lies in the infrared (IR) region of the spectrum. The oscillationof the electron clouds of water molecules participating in the coherent dynamics pushes one electron per molecule just below the ionization threshold. Therefore CDs become pools of quasi-free electrons. The presence of a large number of quasi-free electrons in the CDs is the first step of the process allowing coherent water to become an electron donor, this process implying the additional dynamics described in the following." from: The origin and the special role of coherent water in living systemshttp://emmind.science/...enous_Fields-Mind/General/EZ_Water_(QED_related)/2014_The_origin_and_the_special_role_of_coherent_water_in_living_systems.pdf An much more with experimental proofs Exclusion-Zone Dynamics Explored with Microfluidics and Optical TweezersEntropy | Free Full-Text | Exclusion-Zone Dynamics Explored with Microfluidics and Optical Tweezers | HTML Study of the Phase States of Water Close to Nafion Interface Study of the Phase States of Water Close to Nafion Interface – Water etc, etc, Then there are the fields generated by Frohlich modes in different macromolecules " in Frohlich model vibrational-polar modes are excited by a continuous supply of energy pumped by an external source, while these modes interact with the surrounding medium acting as a thermal bath. The interplay of these two effectspumping of energy subtracting entropy from the system and dissipative internal effects adding entropy to the systemmay lead to the emergence of complex behaviour in the system consisting in what can be called Frohlich effect : Provided the energy supply is sufficiently large compared with the energy loss, the system attains a stationary state in which the energy that feeds the polar modes is channelled into the modes with the lowest frequencies. The latter largely increase their populations at the expenses of the other higher-in-frequency modes, in a way reminiscent of a Bose—Einstein condensation [7]. This highly excited subset of modes may exhibit long-range phase correlations of an electret type [8]. Frohlich’s synchronous large-scale collective oscillations imply inter-cellular microwave emissionswhich would constitute a non-chemical and non-thermal interaction between cells. These oscillations could therefore be revealed by detection of emissions of GHz or THz radiation." Those have observerd for example in microtubules " It has been shown that, on application of 1—20 MHz radio-frequency pulses to a heat bath with tubulin dimers, microtubules can assemble orders of magnitude faster in time, suggesting that ultrafast microtubule growth occur through radio-frequency-induced resonant excitation and alignment of tubulin dimers into a cylindrical shape. Besides, the spontaneous emission of coherent 3.1—3.8 MHz signals has also been observed during the subsequent GTP-induced polymerization, and it was found that the resulting microtubules exhibit length-independent electronic and optical properties. Moreover, additional resonance levels were observed when small-molecule drugs bind to tubulin’s docking sites during radio-frequency-induced assembly." texts extracted from Frhlich Condensate: Emergence of Synergetic Dissipative Structures in Information Processing Biological and Condensed Matter SystemsInformation | Free Full-Text | Frhlich Condensate: Emergence of Synergetic Dissipative Structures in Information Processing Biological and Condensed Matter Systems | HTML There are other possible macromolecules that are related to these emissions including DNA whose solitons are numerous studies. More related texts on Impact of mitochondrial electric field on modal occupancy in the Frhlich model of cellular electromagnetismImpact of mitochondrial electric field on modal occupancy in the Frhlich model of cellular electromagnetism: Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine: Vol 32, No 3 Nonlinear phenomena of Frhlich phonons in biololgical media http://sfm.asm.md/moldphys/2013/vol12/n34/ins_16_rotaru.pdf And closely related to the next section Investigating encounter dynamics of biomolecular reactions: long-range resonant interactions versus Brownian collisionshttp://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143402261411%20fels.pdf Yes, there are several issues as different biomolecules interact within the body; within cells is such that there are several possible ways to choose either signaling way that whilst undergoing energy function: " Studies reveal that the exact channel or pump used to trigger such morphological changes is often irrelevant — many sodium, potassium, chloride, or proton conductances can be used as long as the appropriate bioelectrical state is reached." from:Endogenous bioelectrical networks store non-genetic patterning information during development and regeneration Just a moment... the widespread belief so far is that in the cell medium biomolecules are subject to Brownian motion in which by chance and through a key-lock function interact. However there are some inconsistencies, as they actually have to interact molecules appear attract remotely??? and the number of reactions is too high to be random only. So ther have been suggested some theories (Resonant Recognition Model with experiments confirmating it) so you can see some papers: Campos electromagnticos planares permiten explicar el acople entre pptidos y molculas de HLA-IICampos electromagneticos planares permiten explicar el acople entre peptidos y moleculas de HLA-II Cosic’s Resonance Recognition Model for Protein Sequences and Photon Emission Differentiates Lethal and Non-Lethal Ebola Strains: Implications for Treatment Cosic’s Resonance Recognition Model for Protein Sequences and Photon Emission Differentiates Lethal and Non-Lethal Ebola Strains: Implications for Treatment# Combined Spectral Resonances of Signaling Proteins’ Amino Acids in the ERK-MAP Pathway Reflect Unique Patterns That Predict Peak Photon Emissions and Universal Energies http://www.scipress.com/ILCPA.43.10.pdf On the role of electrodynamic interactions in long-distance biomolecular recognition http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.2477v2.pdf also in relation to other molecules, there is speculation that I found interesting that arises in the hallucinogenic drugs as some functions in relation to its fluorescence: " Also the hollow microtubules (neurofibrillae) could act as light guiding structures. According to Jibu et al. their inner diameter of 15 nm is ideal for light guidance free of thermal noise and loss. Other findings that may be of importance in this context, are the strong flurescence properties of the major hallucinogens: LSD, bufetonine, dimethyl-tryptamine, psilocybine, psilocin, iboguanin, harmine, cannabidinol and mescaline. Furthermore it has been shown that hallucinogenic properties of these substances have a direct correlation to their fluorescence properties and their readyness to donate electrons. As hypothesis we propose that the fluorescence interacts physically with the proposed Biophoton mediated cell to cell communication thus producing hallucinations." Biophotons, hallucinogens, and fluorescencehttp://www.sciencedirect.com/...rticle/pii/S0924933811729078 leading to talk of biophotons;It has already been found that they can have a direct relationship with neurons (despite generated in all types of cells) and brain functions. Convergence of Numbers of Synapses and Quantum Foci Within Human Brain Space: Quantitative Implications of the Photon as the Source of Cognitiondzkie - www.ilcpa.pl Spatiotemporal Imaging of Glutamate-Induced Biophotonic Activities and Transmission in Neural Circuits Spatiotemporal Imaging of Glutamate-Induced Biophotonic Activities and Transmission in Neural Circuits - PMC Ultraweak photon emission in the brain Just a moment... Emission of mitochondrial biophotons and their effect on electrical activity of membrane via microtubules http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1012/1012.3371.pdf etc, etc.. this involves, along with those generated by other (water, frohlich modes, biomolecules) another layer of electromagnetic fields with specific functions, which contains information and can be part of the total conscious field of the biological system. It should also be noted that the DNA has electrical characteristics that can react with the electromagnetic field Electric DNA and Mindelectric DNA and mind Searching for Electrical Properties, Phenomena and Mechanisms in the Construction and Function of Chromosomes Searching for Electrical Properties, Phenomena and Mechanisms in the Construction and Function of Chromosomes - PMC In several texts included in my web http://emmind.science referring also to the possible relationship of DNA with Biophotons, and also on possible solitons in its structure, adding DNA and chromatin to the very possible (and logically necessary) participants on the informative interaction of electromagnetic fields. It is also noted that the morphogenesis also be a consequence of these electromagnetic information fields on one way or another (and their settings form part of the consciousness of the system). Morphogenetic fields in embryogenesis, regeneration, and cancer: Non-local control of complex patterninghttp://sites.tufts.edu/biip2012/files/2012/05/Levin2012.pdf Biomechanical and coherent phenomena in morphogenetic relaxation processes http://old.chronos.msu.ru/...S/igamberdiev_biomechanical.pdf more speculative, less tested, they are the texts of Alexis M. Pietak, but I find those interesting " Similar to the abutilon ovary and squash male flower bud, cells in the female squash ovary in regions that correlate to highest electric field strength have changed into placental tissue cells, whilethe six places of high magnetic field strength are also the six places where ova form in the squash ovary." from: Electromagnetic resonance and morphogenesishttp://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143056136016%20fels.pdf Structural evidence for electromagnetic resonance in plant morphogenesis http://www.omecha.org/...les/Pietak_Biosystems_EMflowers.pdf To be ending there are several theories linking at least some form of electromagnetic field with consciousness The CEMI Field Theory: Closing the loophttp://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/763034/1/mcfadden_JCS_2013(a).pdf An integration of integrated information theory with fundamental physics http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...912322/pdf/fpsyg-05-00063.pdf The origins of the brain's endogenous electromagnetic eld and its relationship to provision of consciousness http://www.worldscientific.com/.../10.1142/S0219635214400056 and it is not a new idea The Electromagnetic Nature of Life - The Contribution of W. Sedlak to the Understanding of the Essence of Lifehttp://www.kul.pl/...cownicy/wnuk/artykuly/Wnuk_i2001s32.pdf however, seems to me more complete the theory being proposed in the paper cited at the beginning Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic SystemInformation | Free Full-Text | Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System because is more integrative and include multiple frequencies at multiple scales, I think is the ultimate idea and that makes more sense. Finally all this leads to a panpsiquista view of consciousness, a philosophy that despite being ignored in modernity has much older tradition (although personally I do not care too much because the former is also wrong often meaning that neither is a fact in favor or against) and strictly modern, still recovering in these times (say postmodern). The idea that a fundamental entity in this case the photon is the first piece of consciousness, the smaller part, a proto-conscious impulse, and that more or less ordered sets of these (the electromagnetic fields in this case) generated consciences more or less complex, including a temporary self. Some texts on this philosophy Panpsychism and Panprotopsychismhttp://consc.net/papers/panpsychism.pdf In Defence of Strong Emergentist Panpsychism Not found - PhilPapers Mind and matter Just a moment... Realistic monism: why physicalism entails panpsychism http://web.ics.purdue.edu/...sonRealisticPhysicalism2006.pdf PD: related to the origin of life and its organization I find interesting as being related to the explained ideas, the following papers of Gargi Mitra-Delmotte and Asoke Nath Mitra Field-control, phase-transitions, and life’s emergenceFrontiers | Field-Control, Phase-Transitions, and Life’s Emergence Softening the Crystal Scaffold for Life’s Emergence http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1108/1108.0309.pdf that is, the conscious impulse orders the matter and this in turn generates more complex consciousness. (For my life and consciousness it is the same, there are only varying degrees of complexity). PD2: I REPEAT IF ANYONE DONT READ that the reference is the theory that is developed in this paper:Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System Information | Free Full-Text | Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System (which incidentally two of the authors are who created the text on evolution presented at the beginning of the post) I can put more clues on this, but is sufficiently long no?
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