Catholics are making it up.

Come on Faith, Christianity has been just making stuff up and changing the rules to suit the times and the audience since Paul stated marketing his new creation.Even the basics like the Great Commission evolved over time to meet marketing demands. See The evolution of the Great Commission over time..

For a small period, Israel was a nation as was Judah. They were never one nation. In addition, "Israel" was also a people including members of Judah and the nation of Israel just like Christianity. Fortunately though Jesus was never a Christian.

Don't you mean apologists making stuff up?

But what I actually do have Faith is what is really written in the Bible.

Yet the fact remains that there is no such thing as "The Bible" and that all of the various bibles contain false statements, fiction and contradictions.You can deny that but the actual words written prove that you would be wrong.

Except Faith, that is NOT what the Bible says. There is no mention of any death of the spirit or fallen nature in the Genesis 2&3 story and Adam & Eve (or Steve since Eve is just a clone of Adam) do not cease to be in communion with the God character plus death certainly existed before the Garden was even created since it was necessary to create a Tree of Life.Have you ever actually read the Bible Faith?

Again, thank you Faith. Yes, almost all doctrine is stuff the salesmen make up and NOT what Jesus or what is actually written in the bible stories.Finally you admit the truth.Doctrine is made up.

So you say; yet the fact remains that doctrine very seldom resembles or even reflects what is actually written.When you ignore truth and facts then your inferences are unlikely to be correct.You do not assemble facts, rather you simply ignore those facts that do not fit your desired conclusion.

But you are proving my point. You are simply repeating stuff the New Testament writers and later apologists made up and ignoring what is actually written in the Genesis 2&3 story.I would be more honest to say that the god character lied and the serpent told the truth that the Original Sin is the god character issuing commands while denying Adam & Steve the tools necessary to obey those commands and then punishing them for Her (the god character) failings.

But my position can and is supported by what is actually written in Genesis 2&3 Faith and that is a significant difference.

I am religious. I do not have a certainty of belief. Yes, there are people that believe such things just as there are people that do not even believe they have a soul that might be in peril.

Bullshit.I am certainly not agnostic; just honest.Try it sometime.

Actually Faith, Islam was supportive of knowledge and education and creating seats of learning. It was barbaric Christianity that lagged behind in education. Cordoba was a place of learning and education while Europe endured the Dark Ages.

What Tyrany of Islam? During the Caliphates Islam was the bastion of personal freedom and freedom of religion.Edited by jar, : applin spallinEdited by jar, : and missing letters?

So you agree, there is nothing in Genesis 2&3 to show any seduction and your interpretation is based simply on what the author of Revelation made up?