Existence of Noah's Ark

riVeRraT responds to me:

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The rain I'm talking about is an over abundant flow.

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But it still needs to stick around. If it doesn't stick around, it isn't a flood but a flow.If all it needed was a flow, then every rainstorm would be a flood. After all, there's water on the ground where there normally isn't.Stop playing semantic games.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Stop comparing what I'm saying to the bible account.
If the mountains where flooded to almost the peaks, where the valleys were filled, and water was rushing everywhere, maybe even up and over some of those mountain peaks, and you were caught in the middle of all of it, and being washed out to see.You would be screaming flood!
You also wouldn't care about wor games.
And all life would be gone.

If you're not trying to prove the biblical flood then what are you trying to prove? If you're saying that the biblical account of the flood is an exaggeration then why bother trying to prove that all life could be wiped out by a flood. If your account of the flood is plausible then it's equally as plausible to say that Noah was a bronze age guy who built himself a raft to survive a local flood (say the Black Sea flood) and his story has been exaggerated since.

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*not an actual doctor

Is that what happens on your mountain when it "floods"? Nothing's left but a dead zone?I question the power of a four inch flow to end all life.

One thing at a time.
Seems that most people around here can't focus on one thing at a time.

The thing I find most amazing about you is how your not a scientists, yet you side with them all the time.How much life exists at the top of mt.everest?

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The thing I find most amazing about you is how your not a scientists, yet you side with them all the time.

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THe thing I find amazing is that you find this to be amazing.

riVeRraT responds to me:

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Stop comparing what I'm saying to the bible account.

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But that's where you got the cockamamie idea of a flooded planet to begin with. The Bible doesn't talk about a terrible storm. It talks about a flood

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If the mountains where flooded to almost the peaks, where the valleys were filled, and water was rushing everywhere, maybe even up and over some of those mountain peaks, and you were caught in the middle of all of it, and being washed out to see.

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I would be wondering where the hell the water came from. After all, if we had a mile's worth of water covering the land where the city of Albuquerque sits so that Sandia were almost covered, then we would need to have hundreds of miles of water surrounding the peak since there's nothing around to keep it pressed up against the mountain. The Rio Grande flows through Albuquerque, so the water should be draining away. The only way way to have a mile's worth of water pressed up against Sandia on the western face is to have water pressed up against the eastern face of the next mountain over so that the two mountains form a bank.Otherwise the water flows away and we don't have a flood. We have just a simple storm.

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You would be screaming flood!

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No, I wouldn't. That's what the arroyos throughout the city are for. When we have a storm, we worry about flash floods. But we worry about them in the arroyos because that's where the water collects.If the water doesn't collect, it isn't a flood.Stop playing word games.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

i'm not following this discussion, so i don't know what crazy claim the rat is making this time, but the bible DOES talk about a storm, or at least rain.

Arachnophilia responds to me:

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The Bible doesn't talk about a terrible storm. It talks about a flood

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i'm not following this discussion, so i don't know what crazy claim the rat is making this time, but the bible DOES talk about a storm, or at least rain.

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Don't be disingenuous. The rain in the story of Noah is what creates the flood. It isn't like it rained for 40 days and everybody had to stay under a tarp and when it stopped raining, they went back to whatever it was they were doing.No, it rained for 40 days so that there would be a flood for another 150.There is certainly enough water on earth to cover all the dry land with a fine mist and have it be moist.That isn't a flood.I could even handily believe that there could be enough cloud cover such that it would be raining everywhere on the planet at the same time.That isn't a flood.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

But see, I'm smart and educated enough to understand their reasoning and, to some limited degree, assess their arguments.I don't universally side with "scientists" (as though they all say the same thing), but I make a habit of not advancing idiotic propositions, like yours. Plenty, but what does that have to do with anything? When you get four inches of filthy stagnant water in your basement, is the result more or less living organisms than there were before?How could a flood that only comes up to your ankles and is gone in a few hours extinguish all life on Earth?This message has been edited by crashfrog, 10-03-2004 01:09 PM

first off, i'm really confused as to who is making what claim. as i said, i'm not following this thread at all, and the rat has been known to make a few doozies in his time.however, you said the bible doesn't describe a storm, and it does. somewhat poetically, saying that god opened the windows of heaven.the ancient hebrews believed that the heavens were a solid dome over our heads. when god created the world, the entire universe was water. he made this dome to keep out the water. so if god wanted to start over again, he'd do it by filling the dome with water and returning everything to its original state of empty chaos. he does this by opening up holes in the dome, and water pours out onto the surface of the earth.the picture of water being poured down through the dome is something like a massive storm. but there is also water underneath the land, and god opens that up as well, so water is coming from both directions. no, it's not. i'm not saying this actually happened. all i'm saying is that the bible does describe water pouring from the sky. the image i describe is consistant with the bible, but not reality. we know that now, but they didn't then.the water came from outside their concept of the universe, and when the flood was over, it went back.

my friend's neighbourhood was under that much water yesterday.my suv sure felt like the ark.

You see, this is where your logic fails. You still don't get it.
You don't need 100 miles of water for it to be flooded.
This is what I want to figure out specifically. Just how fast would it actually drain away.The surrounding land, of any mountain range, would only be able to drain away a given rainfall amount. Anything greater than that amount, then it starts to back up.
Think of the gutters on your house, if the rainfall amount exceeds the drainage capicity of the gutter, it will over flow.
Also think of a simple stream/river that averages 3 feet in depth. Say the stream is 200 miles long. The begining of the stream could be a 1000ft above sea level, and the end would empty into the sea, yet the whole thing is 3 ft deep.
So what happens if it rains, the river gets deeper, because it can't handle the extra water. So just how much would it need to rain for it to really back up the way I am saying. Because to me a typical bad storm that may dump anywhere from 4-10" of rain in a 24 hour period, causes major flooding, and it takes days for it to "run-off".So what if it rained 4" per hour for forty days and nights.
Its obvious the highest mountain peaks would stick out with only minimal flooded, or wettness, but everything after that? Where the mountains meet the plains it might look like niagra falls.You see everyone here keeps thinking small. Like showing me pictures of one mountain, or one slope. You need to think of the bigger picture, and how it would flood. A mountain is usually part of a mounatin range, where the whole range would flood. The valleys and rivers would only be able to run the water off so fast, then it would start backing up into the mountains, all while being above sea level.
The highest part of the mountain range would stick out, but everything after that would have an accumulation of rain, not just what fell on it.If we can figure this out, then we can take it to the next step, of it would fit into the story from the bible.

Of course not, your too busy calling people idiots. This helps me, not disproves what I'm saying. When its moving at 100 miles per hour.
And its 40 days and nights, not a few hours. Where did you get a few hours from, care to explain that logic?