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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Of course, it is not logic, you have distorted my composition. No, I've merely imitated it. You argument goes: 1) Class X has properties P and Q.2) Class Y has property P. 3) Therefore class Y has property Q. This is not logic.
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ringo Member (Idle past 666 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
TheMatrix/DNA writes:
Woo.
My composition is about the inner features of natural systems,, its origins, its inner functionality and identity.
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TheMatrix/DNA Member (Idle past 1761 days) Posts: 47 From: Newark-NJ-USA Joined: |
quote: I did it and let's see the final results: 2. I hear or see things that others do not hear or see. Nope. The final results of my world view (The Matrix/DNA Theory), are not personal, but, merely the results of a sequence of calculus based on comparative anatomy among natural systems anatomies, producing models of evolutionary links between them, based on the mechanisms of cosmological plus biological evolution, and every model confronted with existents natural proved parameters. Some parameters are about things that I saw in the jungle which were saw by all others natives, and they were not saw by urban humans like Cat Sci because Cat Sci did not go to the jungle. In another hands, yours answers to this question should be: I don't hear or see things that others do not hear or see, but I believe in things that others said to hear and see which - I can not hear and see. Ones believes that ancient people saw magics and heard gods, others believe that modern people see black holes in the sky and heard big explosions like a Big Bang... 3. I feel it is very difficult for me to express myself in words that others can understand. Nope. I can express myself and in my native language language very well, the proof is that at high school I got prizes for getting the first place in compositions concourses. I feel it is very difficult for me to express a new world view that resulted from calculations in words that others can understand, since that this world view is suggesting mechanisms and process unknown here for which there is no created new words yet. But yours answers to this question would be: If you are a creationist, you have no difficulties for expressing yourself when talking about world views because the Bible has all answers and I know how to repeat those answers. If you are a materialist, some way, the books from materialists have all answers. In another words you never expresses yourself. I do, I created my own world view. 5. I believe in more than one thing about reality and the world around me that nobody else seems to believe in. Nope. I am skeptical about human interpretations of the world as I explained here before that my human brain is too much little for grasping this big world and the sensors of my brain are few ones and very limited. That's why I call my world view as " theory, and under testings". But yours answer would be: I believe in the materialistic world view and those crationists and pagans agnostics around me seems not believe in it. Or if you are a creationist... Ok, Cat Sci, let's stop the test here, it makes no sense. and is loosing time. All humans are mentally sick due we are the sons of chaos, the chaos that Matrix/DNA Theory is suggesting happened as resulted from the entropy that attacked our ancestral shape as astronomical systems due our ancestral shape choose to be a selfish closed system. If you does not believe in it, go to the heart of Amazon jungle and you will see ours origins coming from the chaos. But since that the reason that produced that chaos is merely a theory yet ( maybe the right version is the biblical sin of Adam and Eve), it does not avoid the idea that we are mentally sick because the chaos really exists. A good way for human beings to cure a little bit their mind is going there and knowing the real reality, as I did. That's why I am little bit less sick than the common human being are. No offense.. I am trying to help. Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory
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TheMatrix/DNA Member (Idle past 1761 days) Posts: 47 From: Newark-NJ-USA Joined: |
quote: Wrong distortion again. My first and second premises talks about things of same class: both are natural systems. There is no classes X and Y. And my sample of formal logics is used in philosophy for building theoretical models, not for affirmation of something. That is why I said "must" and not therefore. This method is useful because due this composition, one is motivated to search the common formula at others systems. Nobody did it, then, nobody searched the formula in those systems. I did motivated by logics and found it. By another hand, in yours theory, how the first atomic system, stellar and galactic system were assembled... please, let me know. Self-assembling... maybe some God...There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Wrong distortion again. My first and second premises talks about things of same class: both are natural systems. There is no classes X and Y. Class X: "the first cell or living being to human"Class Y: "Atoms, stellar and galaxies" Property P: being "natural systems" And my sample of formal logics is used in philosophy for building theoretical models, not for affirmation of something. That is why I said "must" and not therefore Oh, you said "conclusion" instead of "therefore". Well, that suddenly turns raving nonsense into "formal logics". Wait, no it doesn't.
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TheMatrix/DNA Member (Idle past 1761 days) Posts: 47 From: Newark-NJ-USA Joined: |
quote: Yet... it is wrong. It is not only the fact of being natural systems that put them in the same class. When I said cells "to" human beings, it is encrypted the idea of an evolutionary lineage. And from my perspective, atoms to stellar to galaxies is also an evolutionary lineage, and the same lineage. I see no needs for mentioning it because to me, this is the most clearly logics in the world. There was no abiogenesis, merely was ' astronomical embryogenetic reproduction mutated into cells systems due new ingredients and environment". But, the common people educated and nurtured by this millenar human culture believes that the micro and macro space/time dimensions are separated from our humanistic "medium" space/time dimension. Since that have only one unique Nature, it does not make sense for me. Now, read the text below if you have free time only for the sake of curiosity: Common people are not trained for imagining they changing their position in three different points of space/time when observing natural phenomena or event. So, they don't are able to see an element or an event at micro dimension evolving to macro dimension and vice-versa. Lots of misunderstandings in human interpretations of natural phenomena are produced due the fault of this relativistic exercise. I don't know why but my mind is trained for - every time I see a new natural phenomena or event - to make quickly this operation, so my memory goes throughout the three dimensions at light speed calculating the final meaning of that phenomena, which includes origins, function at a system and development to actual shape. So, I am advocating that mechanisms and processes applied at macro dimensions are same from micro dimensions. If it is true, for instance, the weird effects we are watching below the atomic dimension - studied by quantum theory - are not weirds, they can be explained with mechanisms saw at our dimension. And in fact they are. I will give two samples: 1) The Heisenberg uncertainty principle: Look to Matrix/DNA formula and understand that it means a flow of energy/information running inside a channel which we call " the systemic circuit". The system is produced by an unique body rolling under the force of life's cycle, which transforms the shapes of the body, then, transforming its function in relation to the system. This flow is represented by spheres and arrows. The arrows represents the dimension time, advancing with the flow, every point of the circuit represents the age of the flow at that point. The spheres represents the specific space/shape of the flow at a fixed point in time, which means "space dimension", so, in relation to space the flow acquires the shape of a particle, a material body. But... we can not see the aspect time, it is hidden inside the body, in fact the arrows does not exists in relation to our perceptions, so, time flows as a wave. Then, if you are a giant at the size of a galaxy and millions years old and is observing a human being with electronic microscope, the lifespan of the human being is like a flash where the shapes of embryo, teenager, adult, etc., flows in a second. If you get to fix at a given momentum the shape of the body, its particle aspect, you can not see its age at that momentum, the speed of its bodies transformations and lifespan. And vice-versa, if you fix its speed in time you don't get any fixed shape. Heisenberg was this giant observing particles. If the logics of Matrix/DNA will be proved the right one, which suggests that "as bellow, as above" (considering that this is a human concept, since that for Nature there is no above and below in relation to space/time) - primordial particles at the Big Bang were our first ancestrals and they were a system in itself. They were our primordial ancestors in the sense that human beings are genes in shape of conscious genes working for building a unique conscious embryo, and those particles were working genes building the universal systems that has developed and today are human beings. If this is right, those particles must have the properties of life. They are born, they grow, they get maturation, they decay and they die. All these events happens in a mychron-mychron second of Heisenberg's lifespan. Then, Heisenberg's had the same problem as you would have being a galactic giant observing the body of a human being. But, another particles observing that particle would see shape and age at same time, like we see a human and see shape and we can calculating its age at same time, no uncertainty to them. There is no weird effect here, it is merely a relativistic issue. 2) The aspect of particle and wave of a unique body is explained by the Matrix formula, where our own body is composed at the same time by the wave of time and by the momentum shape as a space's particle. And so on, I think that every weird phenomena from quantum mechanics will be explained by the same natural laws that rules our human dimension and the macro dimension. But there is another phenomena for consideration: the dimension below atomic level is a continuation of primordial times of evolution which always begins in shape of chaos. Then, with development the chaos is going to becoming ordered state. That is why the ordered state of astronomical dimension seems to be different from the chaotic state of quantum phenomena. It is not different because the laws that brings on the ordered state are the unique laws already existent in middle of chaos. It happens that natural laws are also under evolution, from the simplest to the most complex, like the human systemic social laws have been under evolution, since the tribal agreements of primordial times to the modern nations' constitutions. We need training our mind for making all this operations at light speed for understanding fast a new phenomena and inserting it in the whole, for understanding it existential meaning. But if human culture continuing applying imaginative walls separating the micro from the medium from the macro dimensions of space/time, our students never will be able to do it. And theirs logics will not be the logics of reality. Sorry to say that... It is not merely quantum effects that we can bring on here as samples of how this arbitrary separation prejudices our world view. Biology, Geology, Neurology, Biochemistry, etc, are full of samples. Let's see a sample from Geology: Nobody in this intense debate about climate change is considering that the natural normal development of our planet must causes toxic ingredients into atmosphere and heating the surface. Of course, the human made toxic ingredients and urbanization/mechanization is accelerating the process, but it is not of such importance, since that any minimal change from the planet is accounted in million or billion years. If we want that natural climate change be slowed, we will have to build giants oxide/filtering for volcanoes craters and oceans valves where is escaping internal vents. NASA is building a defense system against big meteorites reaching the planets' surface from the space; but we will need building a defense system against micro particles coming from below, from the planets' nuclear reactions. The Matrix/DNA formula can not help us to understanding in full how works this planet due missing more work analysing the formula, and I alone have no time and data for doing it. It happens that Nature applies two methods for astronomical system formation - like applied two methods for cell system formation. The first cell was formed by symbioses of existent shapes of a unique molecule, which where connected by the universal sequence ruled by the life's cycle process. From the first cells, they learned how to be formed replicating themselves. For astronomical systems we had same history. And I don't know if this galaxy and stellar system was formed by the first process or by the second process. In the first process, planets were carrying on inside them, the seed of a star as its nucleus. So, the increasing in heat surface was normal, till the planet becoming a pulsar and from here, a supernova. I have not calculated how this aspect is transformed in the second process, which seems to be the case of Earth. But, the existence of giant gas planets like Jupiter in an orbit more distant of the Sun indicates that the first process is being kept in their stellar system. Jupiter is becoming more gas due the nucleus eating the geological layers and more lightest, which makes it escaping from the Sun's gravitational pull, till Jupiter going out of the system and becoming a supernova. If others planets here gets the activating its nuclear reactions they will follow the same path. And with man made climate change or not, this planet will not support life. ( Sorry by the 2.000 words in no intelligible English, I know that nobody will read it, but this is the problem of the systemic approach and introduction to a new never imagined before world view. We will have this problem with aliens encounters, who has another kind of logics, and is good that we begin to training for it...) There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory
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ICANT Member (Idle past 281 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi TheMatrix/DNA
TheMatrix/DNA writes: ( Sorry by the 2.000 words in no intelligible English, I know that nobody will read it, but this is the problem of the systemic approach and introduction to a new never imagined before world view. We will have this problem with aliens encounters, who has another kind of logics, and is good that we begin to training for it...) Sorry to burst your balloon but I have read every word you have posted in this thread. I do have problems with the placement of some English words in the sentences but that only takes a little longer to decifer. Am I understanding you to be putting forth the idea that all the complexity that is found in human DNA has evolved from chaos as well as the DNA in all other creatures and things? This is what all these guys has been trying to pound into my head for the past eight years. That a single cell life form somehow began to exist from non existence and then began the process of evolution from a very simple RNA to a simple DNA and finally into the complex DNA that is in every human cell. It takes a CD or better of storage space (depending on who you are reading behind) to hold all the DNA information in each human cell. Where did all that added information come from? Chaos can not produce it. Neither can mutations as most of them are determentinal to the cell. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
This is what all these guys has been trying to pound into my head for the past eight years. No.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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ICANT writes: Where did all that added information come from? Chaos can not produce it. Neither can mutations as most of them are determentinal to the cell. I imagine that if you were playing a game of draw poker, you would always stand pat with your original cards because most of the cards in the deck would be detrimental to your hand. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Isabel Junior Member (Idle past 3406 days) Posts: 1 Joined: |
The only big bang I believe in is the one of human consciousness. It came out of nothing.
I think the gap between humans and animals is so big that any explanation is less believable than the explanation that we are visited by extraterrestrial astronauts. Why wouldn’t that be possible? If we believe now that within say 5000 years we will encounter intelligent life in space, why wouldn’t we believe that intelligent life has encountered earth first?This site tels a lot more. I hope you respect the meaning of others. Not that you have to follow that meaning but who knows Scholz's star - human evolution
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
I think the gap between humans and animals is so big that any explanation is less believable than the explanation that we are visited by extraterrestrial astronauts. The gap between humans and chimps is just a few percent (98% by substitutions, 96% counting indels). That is less of a gap than there is between chimps and gorillas. That's right. The gap between chimps and humans is less than the gap between chimps and any other ape. As to extraterrestrial astronauts, why would they have DNA that is 98% chimp DNA if they evolved somewhere else?
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ICANT Member (Idle past 281 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi TheMatrix/DNA
TheMatrix/DNA writes: We know that a human body during the period of embryogenesis change its shape from blastula, fetus, etc. But the embryonary body never comes to external existence in those prior shapes: it is born in the shape of human species. This is the last evolutionary shape coming from embryogenesis. By another hand, the last universal evolutionary shape we know here and now ( in this region of the universe and at this time of the universe) of that universal system is the shape of consciousness. So... the conclusion is obvious: the thing that was existing before the Big Bang also has the property of consciousness. We don't know if the shape of that mysterious thing is pure consciousness because we are not sue that consciousness will be the last more complex system in this universe. Maybe it is something more complex, yet. But, we can be sure that the prior existence is at least, self-conscious. When the male sperm and the female egg combine the 23 chromosomes from each the DNA required to build a human exists in whatever you want to call that entity. I call it a human being. The amazing thing is that the DNA that is present at that moment will always produce a human being. It never produces any other creature. Since that human being has a mind, body and spirit what ever the existence before T=0 was it would have the same as man is created in that image and likeness. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member (Idle past 281 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi, TheMatrix/DNA
TheMatrix/DNA writes: Then came the shapes of fish, reptile, mammals, and all informations for these shapes were there at yours 'big bang". The creator does not need intervene in each phase of the Universe if He wants to build a human being, it is enough inserting all informations at the moment of the Big Bang. I think you need to observe a sonogram of the growth of that human being.
TheMatrix/DNA writes: The Universe knows only a method for producing new shapes of natural system and this method is that by which the Universe itself was created. There are lots of new informations that derives by fuzzy logics due the universal systemic functions deriving themselves in new shapes for performing its function in a new environment. But informations produced by fuzzy logics are not informations that never existed before, they are derived from the mixing of old informations. And these informations by fuzzy logics are detrimental since that they diminishes the perfection of the system they came from. I believe you are correct concerning information. I also believe that new information would be required to be added to the DNA of any creature before it could evolve from a previous form. Since there is no way to introduce new information into the DNA evolution is impossible. And when you look into nature you are looking at the face of God. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member (Idle past 281 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes: I imagine that if you were playing a game of draw poker, you would always stand pat with your original cards because most of the cards in the deck would be detrimental to your hand. Poker is a game. Mutations are not a game. They are either beneficial or detrimental to the cell. But beneficial or detrimental they can not produce new information. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1647 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes: I also believe that new information would be required to be added to the DNA of any creature before it could evolve from a previous form. Since there is no way to introduce new information into the DNA evolution is impossible. Ever heard of gene duplication? That's when DNA recombination gives rise to a copy of a gene, which then acquires mutations that make it produce a different protein and serve a different function in the organism. That's what accounts for the families of globin genes that code for proteins that perform various metabolic functions in living cells. I don't think the information analogy is as useful at the cellular level as you appear to. However, gene duplication and divergence certainly constitute the metaphorical new information you consider crucial to evolution.
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