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Author Topic:   Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
ringo
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Message 31 of 45 (761128)
06-28-2015 2:54 PM
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06-28-2015 2:52 PM


Greatest I am writes:
I do not torture babies.
Who does? Your topic title seems to be moot.

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Message 32 of 45 (761206)
06-29-2015 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ringo
06-28-2015 2:54 PM


You like that word.
Regards
DL

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Message 33 of 45 (761209)
06-29-2015 3:55 PM
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06-19-2015 10:30 AM


I'd torture a baby as a justification for stopping you from posting inane OPs.

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ringo
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Message 34 of 45 (761279)
06-30-2015 11:41 AM
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06-29-2015 3:17 PM


Greatest I am writes:
You like that word.
What word?
Really, you're not making any sense. You use an example of "torture" that doesn't contain any torture. Then you don't even make an attempt to back up your claim. Try to think before you post.

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Message 35 of 45 (761340)
06-30-2015 3:26 PM
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06-30-2015 11:41 AM


ringo
The LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. 12.15
When God made the baby sick, David pleaded with God to stop tormenting him. But God wouldn't listen.
David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. 12.16
Finally, after the baby suffered for seven days, God killed him.
On the seventh day, that the child died. 12.18
After the baby died, David washed, got dressed, had a nice meal, and worshiped the God who killed his son.
David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he ... did eat. 12.20
Was what killed the baby not torture?
If not, what would you call its 6 days of ------------
Please fill in that blank. I like to learn new words.
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 36 of 45 (761520)
07-02-2015 11:49 AM
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06-30-2015 3:26 PM


Greatest I am writes:
Finally, after the baby suffered for seven days, God killed him.
No. There's nothing said about the baby suffering.
Greatest I am writes:
Was what killed the baby not torture?
No.
Greatest I am writes:
If not, what would you call its 6 days of ------------
I'd call it what the Bible calls it - sickness.
Greatest I am writes:
I like to learn new words.
You should learn what torture means before you move on.

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Message 37 of 45 (761536)
07-02-2015 1:40 PM
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07-02-2015 11:49 AM


ringo
"I'd call it what the Bible calls it - sickness."
So to you, if I impose a sickness into a child for 6 days before I finally allow that sickness to kill it, it is not torture.
I do not agree and you begin to shame our country with your idiocy and show of poor morals.
Stop it please.
Regards
DL

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Message 38 of 45 (761537)
07-02-2015 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Greatest I am
07-02-2015 1:40 PM


Justification and Responsibility
This Gnosticism causes you to come across as a bit arrogant and all-knowing. Perhaps you and this "God" of yours need to have a talk.
I will admit that organized religion has a lot of problems---but they are in my opinion on an individual level and not in the teachings themselves. I would be more worried teaching everyone that they are their own god.
Thats just my opinion and belief, however.

God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 39 of 45 (761542)
07-02-2015 2:07 PM
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06-26-2015 7:44 PM


Re: as usual, just more misrepresentation from Greatest I Am
Oops
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 40 of 45 (761543)
07-02-2015 2:15 PM
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07-02-2015 1:43 PM


Re: Justification and Responsibility
Phat
Yet what I promote is exactly what Jesus taught.
My arrogance has been fuelled by free thinking and the true knowledge that it is better thinking that what the sheep are doing.
If religious problem were just at the individual level then it is quite strange that individuals created the Inquisition and not the church.
Oh wait. It was the church.
I guess you have also failed to see Christianity and Islam promote homophobia and misogyny.
Regards
DL

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Message 41 of 45 (761544)
07-02-2015 2:25 PM
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07-02-2015 2:15 PM


Re: Justification and Responsibility
Yet what I promote is exactly what Jesus taught.
Perhaps an interesting discussion would be of interest if you attempted to demonstrate this to be the case. I'd certainly find it of more use than your typical discussion flow in which you torture the language of the Old Testament beyond recognition.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
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Message 42 of 45 (761547)
07-02-2015 2:44 PM
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07-02-2015 2:25 PM


Re: Justification and Responsibility
NoNukes
Let me explain using Christian and Jewish myths.
This Gnostic Christian’s apology for calling myself God.
Adam and Eve became as Gods when they gained a moral sense and no longer had their mind cut off from intelligent thought. As our primordial ancestors, we inherit that same trait even though Christianity wrongly thinks that to be evil and a fall. Retaining dominion over the earth, humans never revoked this inherited trait of a moral sense, --- and the right for man to judge himself. Jesus highlights this when he took the seat of judgement at God’s right hand.
When I use terms like I am God, or you are God, I am not speaking of the traditional miracle working God of scriptures and myths. He does not exist as far as we can know as he has never made an appearance to prove his reality.
What I am trying to convey to you by saying that you are a God in your own right is to be master of yourself and you need not be a sheep. You can, as Jesus says, pick up your burdens and responsibilities for your sins and follow his mind set. Be a shepherd. Lead by example.
What I am trying to convey is that the only God you can ever know is the good you find within yourself. It's your ideal of God and of the Jesus or Christ mind. That is quite different from me or someone thinking they are the traditional creator God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else. Both Jesus and the Christ in these myths are for equality. Not the misogyny that we presently enjoy. That is another topic though. We are to be co-equal with Jesus.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jesus would explain this concept as one just seeing that they have joined God’s Divine Council by embracing his own Christ mind. Or better said, as this is the more eastern Jesus, we activate our pineal gland and open our third eye.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Divine Council - Wikipedia
Let me add this link in case it is new to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=playe...
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 43 of 45 (761625)
07-03-2015 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Greatest I am
07-02-2015 1:40 PM


Greatest I am writes:
So to you, if I impose a sickness into a child for 6 days before I finally allow that sickness to kill it, it is not torture.
No, of course not. It is not torture. It is not playing the piano. It is not ice cream. It is what it is - sickness.
Greatest I am writes:
I do not agree and you begin to shame our country with your idiocy and show of poor morals.
Using words correctly is not poor morals.

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Message 44 of 45 (761693)
07-04-2015 10:33 AM
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07-03-2015 11:45 AM


ringo
Sickness is a thing that happens inadvertently. When an evil mind decides to inflict it intentionally, it become torture.
Water and a rag is not torture but put the two together intentionally over a face and it becomes waterboarding.
If you cannot see it then go away as we are done here.
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 45 of 45 (761696)
07-04-2015 11:50 AM
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07-04-2015 10:33 AM


Greatest I am writes:
Sickness is a thing that happens inadvertently. When an evil mind decides to inflict it intentionally, it become torture.
No it doesn't. Inflicting sickness is not torture. Inflicting suffering is torture but the story says nothing about suffering.
Greatest I am writes:
Water and a rag is not torture but put the two together intentionally over a face and it becomes waterboarding.
When there is suffering, it is torture. A wet rag is not torture unless there is suffering.
Greatest I am writes:
If you cannot see it then go away as we are done here.
What you're saying is blatantly false. I'm not going anywhere until you stop saying it.

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