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Suzanne Romano
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Message 46 of 120 (761280)
06-30-2015 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by RAZD
06-20-2015 7:53 PM


Re: wrong in wrong out
How's everybody doing?
I've been very busy on a writing project. I've been studying the history of the helio/geo debate and have been looking at the evidences and experiments discussed in the GWW DVD set.
If one is not physics oriented (that be me) it is all-consuming.

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Message 47 of 120 (761289)
06-30-2015 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Suzanne Romano
06-30-2015 11:42 AM


Re: wrong in wrong out
How's everybody doing?
Good, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to provide that argument for geocentricism that you said you would in Message 16.
All you've provided so far is arguments that are anti-current-science, but that's not an argument for geocentricism anymore than anti-evolution arguments are for creationism.

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Suzanne Romano
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Message 48 of 120 (761300)
06-30-2015 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by New Cat's Eye
06-30-2015 12:45 PM


Re: wrong in wrong out
Cat Sci said:
quote:
Good, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to provide that argument for geocentricism that you said you would in Message 16.
All you've provided so far is arguments that are anti-current-science, but that's not an argument for geocentricism anymore than anti-evolution arguments are for creationism.
Hi Cat! I just started a new thread in the education section. I am now uploading synopses for the GWW scenes. They will contain some of the discussion on the geo arguments.
Bear with me. Trying to juggle job and keeping up with forum posts.

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Suzanne Romano
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Message 49 of 120 (761301)
06-30-2015 12:59 PM



  
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Message 50 of 120 (761302)
06-30-2015 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Suzanne Romano
06-30-2015 12:58 PM


Re: wrong in wrong out
Hi Cat! I just started a new thread in the education section. I am now uploading synopses for the GWW scenes.
So, we come here to converse with the other members. We don't come here to watch videos and read copy-n-pastes.
I can find all kinds of geocentric nonsense on the internet by myself, I don't need you for that. We're here to read what your own thoughts are on the matter, and that's what we need you here for, to share what you, personally, think. We're not here to read the text from other websites, we'd just go to those websites ourselves if we wanted that.

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Suzanne Romano
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Message 51 of 120 (761310)
06-30-2015 1:44 PM


Cat Sci, I wrote the synopses just last week after studying the DVD. You want my thinking? You get it in the synopses. They contain my understanding of the arguments put forth.
I am happy to discuss real time after I post those.
Understand that I believe that the universe is geocentric because the Scriptures say that the Sun moves and the Earth does not. The geocentricity of the universe is, first and foremost, a matter of revealed religion. I believe that the Earth doesn't move pursuant to an intellectual assent of faith. I believe first, and then I am happy to look at the science and marvel because nothing in the Creature contradicts the revelation of the Creator.
Interestingly, I bought Robert's book, GWW, back in 2005. I was one of those eager beavers who got it hot off the presses. I tried to read it. I really did. But it went so far over my head that I had to chuckle. I just believed and I was happy that Robert had the brains to tackle the science.
Last week I had to address the science, so that I could write the synopses. You have no idea the brain ache it has cost me. I'm not a physicist. But I did the work, put in the time, and produced some pretty coherent summarizations. I'm not finished either - I'm still in the process.
You engage in a logical fallacy when you dismiss out of hand something a person has posted just because it came from a promotional website. Your dismissal is not content based. It is based on a squeamishness about the source. Everything I have posted here was created recently by thinking, reasoning adults. I even gave you Ricker's email address. By all means, pull him in here for a discussion. I pray that I have addressed your objections.
I'm sure, Cat Sci, that if you actually read them, there is something in the synopses for you to tear apart.
And if you actually watch the DVD's, you might be able to take Ricker to task for anything misrepresentative he has included in his review.
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Suzanne Romano
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Message 52 of 120 (761311)
06-30-2015 1:50 PM


One other thing: Though you may be up to snuff on all the arguments, surely to goodness there are members of this forum who are new to the subject.
They would benefit from a more general overview.
Even in the realm of generalities, you can ignite the discussion and use your knowledge to gain adherents, no?

  
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Message 53 of 120 (761312)
06-30-2015 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Suzanne Romano
06-30-2015 1:44 PM


RE: Forum Guidelines
You want my thinking? You get it in the synopses. They contain my understanding of the arguments put forth.
I am happy to discuss real time after I post those.
Understand that I believe that the universe is geocentric because the Scriptures say that the Sun moves and the Earth does not. The geocentricity of the universe is, first and foremost, a matter of revealed religion. I believe that the Earth doesn't move pursuant to an intellectual assent of faith. I believe first, and then I am happy to look at the science and marvel because nothing in the Creature contradicts the revelation of the Creator.
I appreciate your own words. i cannot allow any sort of advertising, spamming, or bare cut & pastes..please understand.
As you interact with our members more often, you will find your views challenged and your brain stretched.
Be patient and don't expect to change any minds here at EvC..though it can and does happen.
My mind has been changed a time or two here as well.
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Message 54 of 120 (761313)
06-30-2015 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Suzanne Romano
06-30-2015 1:44 PM


weak in week out...
Suzanne Romano writes:
Understand that I believe that the universe is geocentric because the Scriptures say that the Sun moves and the Earth does not.
You are certainly not going to convince anyone with a non-argument like that.
Revealed religion is pretty much totally worthless in any science thread and of hardly any worth even in religious threads. What you offer is simply another example of factual errors that run throughout the Bible from beginning to end.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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MrHambre
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Message 55 of 120 (761315)
06-30-2015 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Suzanne Romano
06-30-2015 1:44 PM


Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
I bought Robert's book, GWW, back in 2005. I was one of those eager beavers who got it hot off the presses. I tried to read it. I really did. But it went so far over my head that I had to chuckle. I just believed and I was happy that Robert had the brains to tackle the science.
You're right that the physics of how the solar system works is beyond laymen like you and me. But why do you think that so many professionals in astronomy throughout the centuries since Galileo have been so reluctant to work out what some theology blogger like Robert Sungenis found so easy to recognize? Since there's so much gain and glory at stake in the competitive science industry, I have a hard time believing that countless experts simply toed the heliocentric line when the evidence is supposedly so overwhelmingly against it.

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Suzanne Romano
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Message 56 of 120 (761319)
06-30-2015 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by jar
06-30-2015 1:52 PM


Geo Materials
Cat Sci wrote:
quote:
You are certainly not going to convince anyone with a non-argument like that.
Revealed religion is pretty much totally worthless in any science thread and of hardly any worth even in religious threads. What you offer is simply another example of factual errors that run throughout the Bible from beginning to end.
You are presupposing I came here to talk religion. I have not. I simply shared with you pertinent facts that addressed the concern you voiced.
This is not the forum to discuss Scripture. I won't waste anyone's time with that subject.
I am simply seeking permission to publish the synopses as my own work product.
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Message 57 of 120 (761321)
06-30-2015 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by MrHambre
06-30-2015 2:00 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
Mr.Hambre wrote:
quote:
You're right that the physics of how the solar system works is beyond laymen like you and me. But why do you think that so many professionals in astronomy throughout the centuries since Galileo have been so reluctant to work out what some theology blogger like Robert Sungenis found so easy to recognize? Since there's so much gain and glory at stake in the competitive science industry, I have a hard time believing that countless experts simply toed the heliocentric line when the evidence is supposedly so overwhelmingly against it.
Hello my good man!
I promised not to talk religion.
But let's just say for argument's sake that I hate Jesus Christ and want to destroy for once and for all His Christendom. Let's say I think I have a better idea for the foundation of civilization.
But that damnable medieval culture stands in my way; and that damnable culture is founded, like a rock, on the Catholic Church's Magisterial teaching; and that damnable Magisterial teaching is based firmly on a dogma regarding the inerrancy of Sacred Writ; and that damnable Sacred Writ is, well, geocentric.
From that perspective, the "copernican principle" is something to defend with the best one has, n'est ce pas?
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MrHambre
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Message 58 of 120 (761323)
06-30-2015 2:45 PM
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06-30-2015 2:30 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
I'm not talking about religion either.
You didn't respond to the question I asked in my post: why would presumably millions of astronomers from Galileo's time to ours have ignored the overwhelming evidence of geocentrism, when there's so much wealth and renown at stake?
You seem to be arguing for the existence of a vast conspiracy to suppress the truth about the Earth being the center of the universe, fueled by a pervasive hatred for Jesus Christ even in a fairly religious nation like the USA. I'm wondering why none of the astonomers working in religious universities, particularly those who are likely to have religious beliefs if they live in the USA, would have ventured to point out the obvious scientific truth. Excuse me for finding the idea that only a theologian like Robert Sungenis was smart and/or brave enough to take on the entire astronomy industry a bit less plausible than that the idea of heliocentrism has more support than Robert's movie lets on.

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Message 59 of 120 (761324)
06-30-2015 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Suzanne Romano
06-30-2015 1:44 PM


Cat Sci, I wrote the synopses just last week after studying the DVD. You want my thinking? You get it in the synopses.
Well, what does the synopsis talk about? Do you provide any argument at all for the Earth being in the center of the solar system? If so, what is that argument?
Or, as i've seen so far, is all the time spent trying to debunk current heliocentric science?
Because an argument that the sun is not at the center of the solar system is not an argument that the Earth is.
Also, the whole "motion is relative" stuff is totally irrelevant to providing evidence for a geocentric model. Its kinda like "the sky is not green" is not an argument that the sky is, in fact, blue.
Understand that I believe that the universe is geocentric because the Scriptures say that the Sun moves and the Earth does not.
Is there anything, at all, that is capable of convincing you otherwise?
You engage in a logical fallacy when you dismiss out of hand something a person has posted just because it came from a promotional website.
I didn't dismiss anything. I simply explained, what is in the rules that you agreed to when you created your account, that we are here to read your own written words and not those of others that you copied and pasted here.
Even if you, yourself, wrote a whole bunch of stuff on another website, we still expect you to explain it in detail here and then just provide links to where the original came from.
I'm sure, Cat Sci, that if you actually read them, there is something in the synopses for you to tear apart.
And if you actually watch the DVD's, you might be able to take Ricker to task for anything misrepresentative he has included in his review.
I don't think we even need to get that far. But first off, let me ask you again:
Is there anything at all that you can conceive of that would be capable of convincing you that the Earth revolves around the Sun?
Here is my first argument:
The Sun is over 300,000 times the mass of the Earth. It is physically impossible for something that massive to revolve around something as small as the Earth.
Even if the Earth started at the center of the solar system, the mass of the Sun would quickly pull it into either itself, or into an orbit around it.
Therefore, it is impossible for the Earth to be at the center of the solar system. There is simply to much mass out there around the Earth for it to sustain those masses in an orbit around it.

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Suzanne Romano
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Message 60 of 120 (761327)
06-30-2015 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by MrHambre
06-30-2015 2:45 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
Mr.Hambre:
quote:
You didn't respond to the question I asked in my post: why would presumably millions of astronomers from Galileo's time to ours have ignored the overwhelming evidence of geocentrism, when there's so much wealth and renown at stake?
I responded by way of hypothetical to the question I thought was actually contained within your words, namely: Why is the whole science industry copernican if they know that geocentrism is the truth?
Your words as such do not really constitute a question. Rather they amount to an unproven assumption, and thereby an affirmation, disguised as a question; namely: If I am a scientist that knows geocentrism is the truth, and if I make that truth public, I will get rich and famous.
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