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Author Topic:   Proposal for Origin of Various Human Races
NoNukes
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Message 5 of 24 (756899)
04-30-2015 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by joecuddles
04-29-2015 8:48 AM


The 'Oriental Race'? The 'Scandinavian Race'. Just what does 'race' mean in this context? I cannot come with any sense in which Scandinavians would constitute a race of people.
One thing I think has been missed here is the re-integration with Homo Neanderthalensis at one or more points in human history. There is also some evidence that features we sometimes associate with different ethnic groups have come to the fore and evolved independently and in parallel in isolated groups of humans.
As to whether the narrative ordering is generally correct, I am probably not competent enough to say, but I am a bit skeptical about the idea that Scandinavians remixed back into Europe and elsewhere to make Europeans and Orientals more white. Seems totally bogus to me.
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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 10 of 24 (756923)
04-30-2015 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Faith
04-30-2015 9:50 AM


How is this affected by the fact that we are all descended more directly from Noah's family than Adam and Eve?
Perhaps it is not clear, but the 'genetic' Adam and genetic 'Eve' referred to in RAZD's comment were not contemporaries, but lived many thousands of years apart at some point estimated to be more than 50000 years ago and likely more than double that. The 10 son and 18 daughter diversity is far more than could be expected from a recent Adam and Eve or a Noah as described in the Bible. And that's just taking into account our common ancestors flowing exclusively through male or female lines. We have far more common and uncommon ancestors.
If RAZD neglects to mention Noah, it is because taking Noah into account makes the prospect that reality matches a literal reading of the Bible even more far fetched.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 20 of 24 (758143)
05-20-2015 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Faith
05-07-2015 6:00 PM


Re: Skin colour
You don't get particular characteristics
How many characteristics does it take to constitute a race of people? Isn't the number of characteristics, and hence the number of fixed genetic combinations incredibly small? How many changes below neck level are required? And cannot more than one combination of genes produce a given result? Meanwhile the genes controlling non-race specific characteristics are free to have whatever variation and combination can be found. Even features like skin color are not homogeneous, nose shape, and hair coarseness vary within a race.
It is by examining the genetics of the races of humans on this earth that we can know that there is no limit to the diversity of the human race. In most cases there is much more variation within the race than there is distinction from another race.
How about providing us a mechanism for the death of people during the flood affecting the genomes of people or their descendants who did not die? How does someone else's death affect what Noah and sons pass on to their children and grand children? Wouldn't they instead just not pass on some combination rather than disabling something they already had?
Further, dumping out traits based on inbreeding does not explain very well the correlation of traits like skin color with geographies that we see. Those correlations suggest that selection played a role in what gene combinations survived at which did not.
Seriously, your answer seems to be that humans decided to make breeds out of themselves leaving no role for natural selection. The evidence does not support any of that.
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Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
The only thing I suggest is that genes died as a result of all those people and animals dying in the Flood, whose traits were lost to the species and therefore the alleles for those traits, so the genes just died and remain in the genome as corpses. Faith

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