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Jon
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Message 91 of 123 (754002)
03-23-2015 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Phat
03-23-2015 11:32 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Children can find role models anywhere. What is most important is that they have good role models of both genders.
Not everyone needs to be a momma's boy.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 92 of 123 (754006)
03-23-2015 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by New Cat's Eye
03-23-2015 3:22 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Still isn't really working for me.
That's because still you aren't reading what is written.
You's simply inventing your own version of xongsmith's argument.
And that won't get anyone anywhere.

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Message 93 of 123 (754009)
03-23-2015 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Theodoric
03-23-2015 11:44 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
I can say the same for you. You think that through your scholarship and examination of what has been written you can dismiss it as superstition. Unfortunately you have been deceived, in my opinion.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
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If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 94 of 123 (754015)
03-23-2015 7:32 PM
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03-23-2015 5:44 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
That's because still you aren't reading what is written.
No I get it, I read it all. I'm disagreeing with the phraseology.

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Jon
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Message 95 of 123 (754017)
03-23-2015 7:37 PM
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03-23-2015 7:32 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
So... nitpicking?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 96 of 123 (754018)
03-23-2015 7:51 PM
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03-23-2015 7:37 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Clarifying. I had no idea what he was talking about when I originally replied.

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Message 97 of 123 (754208)
03-25-2015 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by New Cat's Eye
03-23-2015 3:22 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Let me see if I can help you over your self imposed hurdle ...
The only thing you have going for you is that gay sex can't produce children. But that is no basis on which to determine whether or not gay peoples' children are wanted.
and that is precisely the basis for saying that they can't produce an unwanted child between them -- it has nothing to do with their activity before or after or with another person or with any children of such outside relationships -- the focal point is that they can't produce children between them so none of those not produced children will be unwanted.
Now stop wasting bandwidth.
Edited by RAZD, : sheesh

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 98 of 123 (754217)
03-25-2015 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by RAZD
03-25-2015 7:14 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
and that is precisely the basis for saying that they can't produce an unwanted child between them
But that's just stupid. They can't produce a child between them at all.
That's no basis to determine if the children they do have are wanted or not.
the focal point is that they can't produce children between them so none of those not produced children will be unwanted.
Yeah, how retarded is that!?
Something that cannot exist doesn't have an adjective describing it, whoopty-do!
None of the soundbites xong offered were either true or meaningful. There's nothing wrong with me pointing that out. Especially if they are unhelpful.
quote:
there are no unwanted children in same-sex marriages.
That is false.
quote:
Same-sex marriages, with the exception of rape, either have to arrange a surrogate mother or a donor male or go through the bureaucratic complications of adoption.
That is false.
quote:
Once married, a same-sex marriage is almost never, compared to heterosexual marriages, going to have an unwanted child.
While a little less false, but still not entirely true, its still not a meaningful or even helpful soundbite.
What's wrong with me pointing that out?
I don't think that trying to make gay marriages out to be different, even if its meant in a positive way, is a good way to get them to be acceptable. Making them out to be the same would be better for the cause. But you certainly shouldn't be making them out to be different in ways that aren't even true.
Now stop wasting bandwidth.
No, and don't tell me what to do.
But that is rich coming from you. Shall I draw up a flow chart and some pie charts to show you how gay marriages can have children both before and after their marriage and also how those children can be unwanted?

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Jon
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Message 99 of 123 (754218)
03-25-2015 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by New Cat's Eye
03-25-2015 9:57 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
You're sure going through an awful lot of work to miss the point.

Love your enemies!

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RAZD
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Message 100 of 123 (754224)
03-25-2015 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by New Cat's Eye
03-25-2015 9:57 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Do you have trouble getting jokes sometimes?
and that is precisely the basis for saying that they can't produce an unwanted child between them
But that's just stupid. They can't produce a child between them at all.
That's no basis to determine if the children they do have are wanted or not.
the focal point is that they can't produce children between them so none of those not produced children will be unwanted.
Something that cannot exist doesn't have an adjective describing it, whoopty-do!
It was sarcasm, Sheldon.
Get over it.

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Message 101 of 123 (754230)
03-25-2015 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Jon
03-25-2015 10:19 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
What do you think the point is/was?
Message 76 was spun to hell, in my opinion. And the conclusion was illogical too.
Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 102 of 123 (754232)
03-25-2015 11:47 AM
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03-25-2015 10:47 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
It was sarcasm,
If your going to use sarcasm to get to a retarded non sequitur, then I'd appreciate a smiley.

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Message 103 of 123 (754240)
03-25-2015 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by New Cat's Eye
03-25-2015 11:47 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
I very rarely post anything in the Coffee House seriously.
Maybe EvC Coffee House should have an emoticon for "seriously".

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 104 of 123 (754242)
03-25-2015 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by xongsmith
03-25-2015 12:27 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
I very rarely post anything in the Coffee House seriously.
So do you accept that it is actually relatively easy for gay couples to have unwanted children?
Do you think that joking about it as if they couldn't is funny?
Know any good racist jokes?

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Message 105 of 123 (754245)
03-25-2015 1:09 PM
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03-25-2015 12:34 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Yup, yup and lots.
Grow a pair.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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