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Author | Topic: Presbyterian Church approves of same-sex marriages | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jon Inactive Member
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I think xongsmith was pointing out that straight couples often end up with children they don't want, many times cannot afford, and are unprepared to raise.
Homosexual couples don't have that problem, and so, contrary to the utterly stupid shit Phat's been spewing into this thread, homosexuals are as equipped asif not more thanheterosexual couples when it comes to raising a family.Love your enemies!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, there were Christians who DID stand against those things. It IS what we're supposed to do, though many may fail at it.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yes; but the children they have are all wanted. Whether or not the children are wanted is something that sometimes changes over the children's lifetime. Yes, they were wanted at conception, but at birth? Five years later? When the children become awful teenagers? Or serial killers? I think Cat Sci has a point. The idea that the children of homosexual parents are always wanted was just a sound bite.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Jon Inactive Member |
It IS what we're supposed to do, though many may fail at it. All so far have; and lets hope that all continue to.Love your enemies!
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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NoNukes writes:
Whether or not the children are wanted is something that sometimes changes over the children's lifetime. Yes, they were wanted at conception, but at birth? Five years later? When the children become awful teenagers? Or serial killers? I think Cat Sci has a point. The idea that the children of homosexual parents are always wanted was just a sound bite. Same-sex marriages, with the exception of rape, either have to arrange a surrogate mother or a donor male or go through the bureaucratic complications of adoption. This is not something you would casually get into, no? It may come off as a soundbite, but it's my soundbite. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined:
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Phat writes
quote: Your answer confirms what I suspected from the posts you've made on the subject matter. Actually, to those of us who have been or are in long term partnership, it's pretty obvious...
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Same-sex marriages, with the exception of rape, either have to arrange a surrogate mother or a donor male or go through the bureaucratic complications of adoption. "Donor male" covers a lot of possibilities including being unfaithful and thus having an unwanted pregnancy. Besides that, I stand by my comment that not all wanted children remain wanted. Yeah I'll agree that sex between same sex couples does not result in pregnancy if that is your point. Surely you heard in about the couple who had engaged a surrogate mother and then refused to take one of the two offspring because that child had Down's syndrome? That could just as easily happened to a homosexual couple as a heterosexual one. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Same-sex marriages, with the exception of rape, either have to arrange a surrogate mother or a donor male or go through the bureaucratic complications of adoption. There are tons of people who have had children before they got into same-sex relationships.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Cat's Eye points out:
There are tons of people who have had children before they got into same-sex relationships. Well, sure, but those weren't children for a same-sex couple.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
There are tons of people who have had children before they got into same-sex relationships. Well, sure, but those weren't children for a same-sex couple. ಠ_ಠ
quote: That's just not true, why are you trying to stand by it?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I personally believe that a child needs a mother. Even if I were in a same sex marriage I would want this for my child.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Your beliefs have no effect on reality and evidently reality has no effect on your beliefs.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So lesbian marriages are cool then. I personally believe that a child needs a mother. I personally believe that a child is lucky enough to have one good parent. Two or more is a bonus, no matter what gender.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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Cat's Eye persists:
quote: That's just not true, why are you trying to stand by it? Okay, it's my soundbite and you know what I meant. If you wish, I could rephrase it something like this:
Once married, a same-sex marriage is almost never, compared to heterosexual marriages, going to have an unwanted child Jeezo. If you still don't know the little pointette I was going for, then your avatar name just might be aptly chosen. But never mind this. It's too small an issue, a skid mark on the road, if you will. All is forgiven.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
you know what I meant I honestly did not.
If you wish, I could rephrase it something like this:
Once married, a same-sex marriage is almost never, compared to heterosexual marriages, going to have an unwanted child Jeezo. Still isn't really working for me. Maybe its the fact that a good friend of mine has a mother who ran off to be with another woman and doesn't talk to him anymore. (to be fair, I think it has more to do with his father than him) Being gay doesn't mean that you have to want your child. Being gay doesn't mean that you can't have children. The only thing you have going for you is that gay sex can't produce children. But that is no basis on which to determine whether or not gay peoples' children are wanted. You should just stop associating the two, even if your intentions are good. How many gay people were effectively "forced" into heterosexual marriages, and had children, only later to be able to be true to themselves and come out as gay? Sugar-coating that fact away is not something you should be doing.
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