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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
Faith 
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Message 1786 of 1939 (761031)
06-27-2015 10:52 AM
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06-27-2015 10:38 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Good GRIEF! Nobody is saying they are the same thing but to deny that the scale was built on the physical strata with their fossil contents is so nuts I shouldn't even have to bother answering you.
Go look at any model of the time scale and see how it is tied to the Geologic Column layer by layer. Take some of those that represent the Grand Canyon for instance.

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Pressie
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Message 1787 of 1939 (761032)
06-27-2015 11:02 AM
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06-27-2015 10:52 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
The Geological time scale was not built on rock layers. It was built on time periods, not "rock layers, Faith.

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Pressie
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Message 1788 of 1939 (761033)
06-27-2015 11:07 AM
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06-27-2015 10:52 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Faith writes:
Go look at any model of the time scale and see how it is tied to the Geologic Column layer by layer.
Nope, it's the opposite. Those hundreds of thousands of "layers" fit into the time periods they belong in.

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Pressie
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Message 1789 of 1939 (761036)
06-27-2015 11:32 AM
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06-27-2015 10:52 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Somehow Faith doesn't realise that the geological time scale doesn't represent "layers". The geological time scale represents time periods.
Not layers, Faith.
It really, really is not a hard concept to grasp, Faith. Seems like you struggle with that basic concept.

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Message 1790 of 1939 (761043)
06-27-2015 12:23 PM
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06-26-2015 8:13 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
You have pretty much destroyed what was going to be a fun time with my family. I propose that YOU do the experiment and I'll do something else with my family.
Exactly whom do you think will be hurt by your choice to not perform the experiment?

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Message 1791 of 1939 (761048)
06-27-2015 1:32 PM
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06-27-2015 12:23 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
You have pretty much destroyed what was going to be a fun time with my family. I propose that YOU do the experiment and I'll do something else with my family.
Exactly whom do you think will be hurt by your choice to not perform the experiment?
You're looking a it wrong.
She is grasping at any straw to avoid doing the experiment and facing even the tiniest bit of reality.

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Message 1792 of 1939 (761064)
06-27-2015 2:55 PM
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06-27-2015 10:52 AM


Geological Time Scale
Faith, you badly misunderstand both diagrams.
The first shows how local formations relate to the geological timescale. The second is an idealisation which does not even attempt to show the complexities of the actual situation.
The geological timescale is not built on world-wide strata. It was built by painstaking work correlating the local strata of different localities, primarily through geometric relationships. Applying the original version , developed in Europe, to the rocks of the Americas took considerable work - it was not a simple matter of matching strata found each side of the Atlantic.

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Message 1793 of 1939 (761066)
06-27-2015 2:58 PM
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06-27-2015 2:55 PM


Re: Geological Time Scale
Nevertheless they ARE matched.

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Message 1794 of 1939 (761067)
06-27-2015 3:02 PM
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06-27-2015 2:58 PM


Re: Geological Time Scale
Matched as being about the same age, as determined by various methods. That's all.

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Message 1795 of 1939 (761072)
06-27-2015 6:38 PM
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06-27-2015 11:32 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Somehow Faith doesn't realise that the geological time scale doesn't represent "layers". The geological time scale represents time periods.
This is another one of those unnecessary arguments that accomplishes nothing, but we commonly run into with Faith. It appears to me that Faith has confused the geological time scale with the 'geological column'.

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Faith 
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Message 1797 of 1939 (761084)
06-28-2015 1:27 AM
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06-27-2015 8:46 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
No, HBD, this planned experiment has nothing to do with the diagrams you posted. It is about that road cut with the sloped lower left layer. And with regard to that, it IS about whether or not the strata themselves ever deposited on a slope (the STRATA, LAYERS, not whether sand forms slopes for pete's sake-- this is not to you but others on this thread). If it's possible then it's possible, I guess I'll find that out, and if it is then I'll have to give up my argument about that road cut.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1798 of 1939 (761085)
06-28-2015 1:35 AM


Geo Dirt / Geo Time
As for the relation of the Geo Time Scale to the Geo Column I don't think that's on topic in this thread and don't know why it came up, and it just seems like one of those irrelevant academic points with no practical relation to anything being discussed. But it does relate to the other thread where the extent of various strata came up, and a practical point I'd make about that is that if all the strata really were formed in the Flood, then there's no more Geo Time Scale -- deny THAT relationship between them.

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Message 1799 of 1939 (761088)
06-28-2015 4:58 AM
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06-28-2015 1:35 AM


Re: Geo Dirt / Geo Time
OK. You accept that your idea of worldwide strata was an ignorant mistake?
You understand that the actual strata found in reality and their relationships are much, much more complicated than that?
That "the" geological column (as opposed to local geological columns) is an idealised and generalised view synthesised and simplified from a huge mass of data and it took a whole lot of work to put it all together?

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Pressie
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Message 1800 of 1939 (761089)
06-28-2015 6:08 AM
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06-27-2015 6:38 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
edge, all YEC's writing on the subject deliberately confuse the geological time scale with local stratigraphic columns. They do it on purpose. To mislead.
The first figure Faith provided shows how the local stratigraphy at the Grand Canyon (which, in itself, is a simplified diagram) relates to the geological time scale.
Oh, and Faith, the second one is a version showing the relationship between the different time periods. It shows, for example, that the Carboniferous Period occurred before the Permian Period.
The Carboniferous is a time period, Faith. Not a layer. The Permian is a time period, Faith. Not a layer. It really is not hard to understand.
Edited by Pressie, : Added last sentence

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