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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
edge
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Message 1576 of 1939 (757181)
05-04-2015 1:43 PM
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05-04-2015 1:39 PM


Re: Caves
A bit of rubble perhaps. Just not a nice tight contact.
If the rocks were plastic, you wouldn't have rubble.

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Faith 
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Message 1577 of 1939 (757182)
05-04-2015 1:47 PM
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05-04-2015 1:31 PM


Re: Moderator Facilitation
It's one of a stack of horizontally deposited layers. The tilt on the left obviously occurred after the stack was all laid down: see very straight slightly tilted contact line on layer above.
If there is actual folding or deformation, I would expect it to propagate into the upper layers.
So would I and it did: but in this case it propagated only to the slight tilting of the layers immediately above the sag. That does show propagation, however. Apparently the stack was stable enough not to be more disturbed above that point.
I'm sure I got the term "plastic" from a geology site. It means what I'm saying it means. Why can't you just leave well enough alone and cut the obsessional and obfuscating pedantry?
And yeah, it's a road cut IN the Stratigraphic Column. More nitpicking pedantry.

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Faith 
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Message 1578 of 1939 (757183)
05-04-2015 1:49 PM
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05-04-2015 1:43 PM


Re: Caves
Fine. No rubble, just a hole.

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edge
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Message 1579 of 1939 (757184)
05-04-2015 1:56 PM
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05-04-2015 1:47 PM


Re: Moderator Facilitation
So would I and it did: but in this case it propagated only to the slight tilting of the layers immediately above the sag.
Which is a characteristic of draping or soft sediment compaction...
That does show propagation, however. Apparently the stack was stable enough not to be more disturbed above that point.
No, the whole section. This is not a forced fold.
I'm sure I got the term "plastic" from a geology site. It means what I'm saying it means. Why can't you just leave well enough alone and cut the obsessional and obfuscating pedantry?
Because it shows that you are not precise in your language and that causes confusion.
And yeah, it's a road cut IN the Stratigraphic Column. More nitpicking pedantry.
No, that's not what I wrote. YECs do not understand what the stratigraphic column is and it causes miscommunication. And if there is one thing we know about your threads, there is a lot of confusion.

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edge
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Message 1580 of 1939 (757185)
05-04-2015 1:57 PM
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05-04-2015 1:49 PM


Re: Caves
Fine. No rubble, just a hole.
Which is exactly what I said we do not see.

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Faith 
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Message 1581 of 1939 (757186)
05-04-2015 2:05 PM
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05-04-2015 1:56 PM


Re: Moderator Facilitation
YECs do not understand what the stratigraphic column is and it causes miscommunication. And if there is one thing we know about your threads, there is a lot of confusion.
Google Images of the
Stratigraphic Column as I understand it.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused. Which is the usual case though you like to blame it on me.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1582 of 1939 (757187)
05-04-2015 2:07 PM
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05-04-2015 1:57 PM


Re: Caves
Which is exactly what I said we do not see
Perhaps you need your eyes examined.

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herebedragons
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Message 1583 of 1939 (757188)
05-04-2015 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1573 by Faith
05-04-2015 1:34 PM


Re: Tight tilted contacts
Yellow lines indicate horizontal. Orange lines on the left indicate the tilt downward to the left
Your logic puzzles me... If the orange lines and yellow lines were once parallel and the orange lines "sagged" or pivoted down to the left after the whole (or most of the) stack was already above it, shouldn't there be "gap" somewhere between the orange and yellow lines?? Instead that contact is seamless, barely even a crack between them.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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edge
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Message 1584 of 1939 (757189)
05-04-2015 2:14 PM
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05-04-2015 2:05 PM


Re: Moderator Facilitation
Google Images of the
Stratigraphic Column as I understand it.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused. Which is the usual case though you like to blame it on me.
As I said. The Stratigraphic Column is a diagram, a representation.

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edge
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Message 1585 of 1939 (757190)
05-04-2015 2:15 PM
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05-04-2015 2:07 PM


Re: Caves
Perhaps you need your eyes examined.
Off topic, personal reference.
Please focus.

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Faith 
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Message 1586 of 1939 (757191)
05-04-2015 2:16 PM
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05-04-2015 2:10 PM


Re: Tight tilted contacts
The gap is in the depression below. The immediate strata just tilted, presumably stretching some since the stack was not dry.
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Do you have a way of explaining the tilt otherwise that's reasonable?

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edge
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Message 1587 of 1939 (757192)
05-04-2015 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1583 by herebedragons
05-04-2015 2:10 PM


Re: Tight tilted contacts
Your logic puzzles me... If the orange lines and yellow lines were once parallel and the orange lines "sagged" or pivoted down to the left after the whole (or most of the) stack was already above it, shouldn't there be "gap" somewhere between the orange and yellow lines?? Instead that contact is seamless, barely even a crack between them.
Good point. If Faith is correct, and there is a gap caused by sagging where everyone else sees shadows, then there should be another shadow (er ... gap) where you are discussing.

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ThinAirDesigns
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Message 1588 of 1939 (757193)
05-04-2015 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1573 by Faith
05-04-2015 1:34 PM


Re: Tight tilted contacts
Faith writes:
Yellow lines indicate horizontal. Orange lines on the left indicate the tilt downward to the left from the horizontal of the contacts above the sagged layers.
Holy crap Faith -- in addition to admittedly having poor eyesight, you're drawing lines indicating slopes when you haven't a freaking clue the plane of the surface you are drawing on.
Since the layers you are drawing lines on aren't at the level of the camera, any 'out of plane' aspect of the cut will make it look like the layers themselves are not in plane when in fact they can perfectly be.
A perfect example of this issue is illustrated in the picture below -- we know that the porch floor, rail tops and eaves all fall on offset but identical planes. Notice how the rail top appears to be a straight line (because it's camera level) but the floor and eaves create lines that if emphasized with colors (as you did on the rocks above) would not be parallel?
No one came along after the cabin was built and squeezed the left and right ends of that cabin together, it's just an artifact of 2D lines on a 3D object.
I'm convinced that in addition too the eyesight problem, you have difficulties in the transition from your 2D screen to the 3D world.
JB

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Faith 
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Message 1589 of 1939 (757194)
05-04-2015 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1588 by ThinAirDesigns
05-04-2015 2:28 PM


Re: Tight tilted contacts
I drew the lines correctly in perspective. There is something wrong with you. In more ways than one. The lines parallel the actual contacts on the rock face, you blithering yddyott. You need me to extend them so you can see their actual relation to the horizontal you blithering blithering doltish moron?. Yes, suspend me, Percy. I get sick of being harassed by blithering Yddyots. He talks sophomoric baby talk and thinks I'm on his level, the blithyering dolt.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ThinAirDesigns
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Message 1590 of 1939 (757195)
05-04-2015 2:40 PM
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05-04-2015 2:16 PM


Re: Tight tilted contacts
Faith writes:
The gap is in the depression below.
To answer the question from HDB, a gap below does you no good, you need to explain how the left edge of the orange lines tilted downward (so you say) at the red arrow while leaving the yellow line in place without producing gap inside the red circle.

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