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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
My point is about people saying that homosexual feelings are "okay" as long as you don't act on them. Jesus said that having them is the same as acting on them. Whichever gender be the object of our sexual attraction, the issue is objectification and seeking only what you can get out of a person versus a desire to commune, learn from, love, and nourish that person. So you're damned for both or you're not damned for neither.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
My point is about people saying that homosexual feelings are "okay" as long as you don't act on them. Jesus said that having them is the same as acting on them. I don't read "looking on a person to lust after them" as being the same as "having a feeling". I think Jesus was talking about objectifying the person as a sex object rather than the innate sexual desires that we cannot control.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic writes:
There may be a distinction there - but Jesus was clearly pointing out that no overt action is necessary. That's diferent from the typical fundie line that homosexual actions are taboo but maybe homosexual feelings are okay because they "can't be helped".
I think Jesus was talking about objectifying the person as a sex object rather than the innate sexual desires that we cannot control.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
There may be a distinction there - but Jesus was clearly pointing out that no overt action is necessary. Agreed.
That's diferent from the typical fundie line that homosexual actions are taboo but maybe homosexual feelings are okay because they "can't be helped". What's the difference?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Cat's Eye writes:
It just seems to me that they're backing off from outright condemnation of homosexual feelings but still giving themselves an out as long as they don't act on those feelings. What Jesus said was somewhere in between.
ringo writes:
What's the difference? That's diferent from the typical fundie line that homosexual actions are taboo but maybe homosexual feelings are okay because they "can't be helped".
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faceman Member (Idle past 3415 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
More likely, he was always gay and just said that he was straight to hide it. Right, that's more or less what I said.
How many of the pray-the-gay-away camps do you think are run by homosexuals and therefore destined for failure? Not sure, but if a "pray-the-gay-away" camp is run by a homosexual, then it will Shirley fail.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3415 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Spoken like a true cheesehead.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
More likely, he was always gay and just said that he was straight to hide it.
Right, that's more or less what I said. Well, except, in the way I phrased it his sexuality didn't flip-flop back and forth.
Not sure, but if a "pray-the-gay-away" camp is run by a homosexual, then it will Shirley fail. Now you're contradicting yourself. Earlier you said that you don't doubt the power of prayer at all. Now you're doubting it if it is done by one of them gays?
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faceman Member (Idle past 3415 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Now you're contradicting yourself. Earlier you said that you don't doubt the power of prayer at all. Now you're doubting it if it is done by one of them gays? No that's not what I said. This is what I said (note the "when done by believers" part):
I don't doubt the power of prayer at all, when done by believers, but when a guy like that's leading the charge, then they're destined for failure. Man... that sounds even better the second time around, doesn't it? And yes, I'm suggesting that he might not have been a true believer all along. The Bible warns of those that believe in vain.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Man... that sounds even better the second time around, doesn't it? And yes, I'm suggesting that he might not have been a true believer all along. The Bible warns of those that believe in vain. Still really unsure of what you are saying. Are you saying gays cannot be true believers or that a gay could not truly believe it possible to pray the gay away or a true believer cannot pray the gay away or a believer cannot truly pray or ...?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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faceman Member (Idle past 3415 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
I'm saying I doubt the convictions of someone that flirted between gay and straight so many times. At best they seem very confused.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No doubt they were. And extremely guilty. But now it appears that the person is trying to deal with both the confusion and the guilt as well as the addiction to the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
That certainly seems encouraging.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
It's far more likely that he was never really straight but sometimes managed to fool himself into thinking that he was. We're talking about someone highly motivated to stop being gay and convinced that his method should work.
I guess that he should have doubted the power of prayer, because it didn't work for him.
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