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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'm using linux to write this post. Which version? I have Ubuntu, but haven't upgraded to 14 yet.
As for the dems - I don't like them at all. They seem to have cornered the market on bungling incompetence. Yet I usually vote for them, because the Republicans are completely unfit to govern. And I don't vote for anybody that is unopposed. So what do you think about using ballot initiatives to get the issues to the public for direct votes? Getting items on the ballots so people can vote on them directly goes around the political representatives in order to get things done, as a populist movement that can cross party lines to find solutions. These can be written up as bills to be passed, so it would be like ALEC for people. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member |
'Like it or leave it' arguments are stupid regardless of whether liberals are conservatives make them. Well it wasn't a 'like it or leave it' argument. It was a 'stop saying you want small government because we all know what small government leads to and that no one would want to live in such a shitty country' argument. Coyote is advocating for a failed state. I think it is perfectly sensible for someone to point out to him what a failed state really looks like; and perhaps suggest that he go live in one for a while to see if he still likes it so much.Love your enemies!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Coyote is advocating for a failed state. Bullshit. Go back and read what I actually said and try again.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It was a 'stop saying you want small government because we all know what small government leads to and that no one would want to live in such a shitty country' argument. I want small government.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Look at the results of what people want. Minimum wage increase, ACA, and everything else that the dems fight for. And yet people voted for the rep party, e party that is against all those things. So you would be in favor of using voter initiates on election ballots to deal with these issues directly rather than relying on the politicians? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Which version?
Opensuse 13.2 (hot off the press).
So what do you think about using ballot initiatives to get the issues to the public for direct votes?
It's just another way for corporate dollars to buy influence.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Jon Inactive Member |
That's exactly what you want.
You want a government that makes no decisions. You want a government that provides no public assistance. That's two out of four of the criteria: failed state (from Wikipedia). And once you have those two, the other follow right in line. Now you probably don't want all the problems that go along with a failed state, but they're part of the package whether you like it or not. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
That's exactly what you want. More bullshit.
You want a government that makes no decisions. You want a government that provides no public assistance. Still more bullshit.
That's two out of four of the criteria: failed state (from Wikipedia). And once you have those two, the other follow right in line. You really should try to read what others write rather than automatically demonizing anyone who you think disagrees with you.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Well, no. I don't believe in democracy, period.
Anyone remember back when Romney was running and half or so of republicans believed Romney gave the order to kill Bin Laden? Democracy only works if the typical voter has a more vested interest in it. As it currently stands, they don't. Unemployment is the lowest we've seen for, like, forever. DADT is out the door. Gay service men and women are serving openly. The deficit is way down. More people are covered than ever before. We're not fighting 2 wars anymore. Etc. My elderly parents just officially switched from hating Obama to loving him because of the benefits he's brought them. And yet, people are saying Obama is the worst president in history. Really? Really? Despite the gridlock, this president has done more for the good of the country than Bush ever did. Democracy only works when the typical voter votes for the people's best interest, not who hates Obama and gay people more.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Democracy only works when the typical voter votes for the people's best interest, not who hates Obama and gay people more. If that is who the people feel is in their best interest, then they're getting exactly what they want. So it seems to be working just fine.Love your enemies!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Well, no. This past congressional election proves my point, that the typical voters do not vote for their best interest but rather vote against it.
Again, most people support raising the minimum wage, the ACA, repeal of DADT, etc. And yet, they voted for the party that is against all those things. I torture myself by watching the republican debates and fox news commentaries. This past round of discussions among the republicans pretty much entails who hates Obama and gay people more. There's even a Latin phrase for what the republicans have been doing. It translates to slander boldly, something always sticks. And unfortunately, the typical voters have been eating the shit that the republican party has been spewing out.
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Jon Inactive Member |
This past congressional election proves my point, that the typical voters do not vote for their best interest but rather vote against it. Who are you to decide their best interest? They hate Obama and gay people; they now have a bunch of people representing them who also hate Obama and gay people. It sounds like they are getting exactly what they want.
Again, most people support raising the minimum wage, the ACA, repeal of DADT, etc. And yet, they voted for the party that is against all those things. No. Most people didn't vote. The ones who did vote hate minimum wage, the ACA, and repeal of DADT, etc. They are getting exactly what they want. And the people who didn't vote are getting exactly what they want: a country where decisions are made by other people and they never need bother to participate.
There's even a Latin phrase for what the republicans have been doing. It translates to slander boldly, something always sticks. To be fair, both parties are full of nothing but slander. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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I'm god, silly. I know what's best for everyone.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Cat's Eye writes:
I don't think anybody really wants small government. Our Canadian Conservatives (who are slightly to the left of your liberals) typically want the government to do "more with less". That's like saying people should feed two families with half the food budget - it makes no sense in any other context, yet conservatives think it makes sense for government.
I want small government.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Cat's Eye writes:
I don't think anybody really wants small government. I want small government. Well I think I want small government, but I'm not sure where the qualification of being small starts... I suppose I should have said that I want smaller government. Most of us (U.S.) think the government is doing too much:
I really wish the feds would just mind their own business. They can just ignore me and I'll be happy.
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