Neither a theist nor an atheist

Well, that is wrong, or some of it is wrong and some of it is too confused for me to figure out. You must have evidence in order to have faith. As I said there is no such thing as faith in anything you don't believe is true. But coming to believe in the truth of the Biblical revelation can be a struggle because initially there are lots of doubts. At least that was my experience. Eventually it proved itself to me. I couldn't have had faith until then.And faith, by the way, the faith that requires evidence, is in "things unseen." You must have faith in something you can't see or experience directly, and the evidence is given to lead you to that faith, evidence in the form of witnesses to the miracles and historical facts that demonstrate the reality of God. Faith is ultimately in God, in an unseen Person, in His trustworthiness. Faith in fact is a form of trust. You don't trust someone who hasn't proved himself to you to be trustworthy. That's just normal human psychology.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It makes no sense to speak of "faith in spooks." Faith is a form of trust. You can believe or disbelieve in spooks, you can't have faith in them.

faith in things unseen but not unheard.
Faith comes through hearing.
the sound you hear is the evidenceit is said that you dont need faith if you have evidence but that assumes that people always believe the evidence. We know that isn't the case. refusing to believe despite overwhelming evidence is the very definition of delusionEdited by granpa, : No reason given.Edited by granpa, : No reason given.Edited by granpa, : No reason given.

How is unseen (as a sensory input) conceptually different from unheard (as a sensory input)?Aside from the medium it is just inout from the environment.

And, how do you kmow that the Just will do that? How do you know they are Just, or of which of those who live by faith that disagree with each other are Just and which are unjust?

The hearing that leads to faith is the hearing of the gospel and that leads to the faith in things unseen.True, people often deny the evidence that would lead to faith. But faith is never without evidence.

That's too exclusive, there are non-christian people of faith, too.

This begs the question of whether there is one answer and whether this answer is exclusive or inclusive.Though some would argue that the Gospel message is exclusive, a case can be made that it is inclusive.Open and available to all. The Bible seemingly talks of both extremes. Many are called yet few chosen.However....whosoever believes in Him shall not perish....Which leads to the question of how many were called and how many are chosen.Perhaps initially, the Jews were called....then later everyone was called...and yet who is chosen? (Could it be that the one who chooses is thus chosen?)Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I don't think so. You can't define faith as a function of the gospel when there are people that have faith that have not heard, or don't believe, the gospel. The Bible is a confusing mess of contradictions. You can find justification of almost anything in there. Yesterday's gospel, the 15th Sunday in ordinary time, contained the parable of the sowing of the seeds. Some landed on the path, some in weak dirt, and some in thorns, yet the ones who were sowed in good dirt thrived.God's message is the seed and we are the dirt. If we don't provide it the conditions it needs to thrive, then it will die within us.

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Hear then the parable of the sower.
The seed sown on the path is the one
who hears the word of the kingdom without understanding it,
and the evil one comes and steals away
what was sown in his heart.
The seed sown on rocky ground
is the one who hears the word and receives it at once with joy.
But he has no root and lasts only for a time.
When some tribulation or persecution comes because of the word,
he immediately falls away.
The seed sown among thorns is the one who hears the word,
but then worldly anxiety and the lure of riches choke the word
and it bears no fruit.
But the seed sown on rich soil
is the one who hears the word and understands it,
who indeed bears fruit and yields a hundred or sixty or thirtyfold.

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Hello Faith,
Is that not the whole point of faith.? To believe in the absence of evidence? To accept, hope or trust despite the availability of evidence that would confirm?Who is demonstrating faith; someone who believes because they are moved to do so by their will?Or, someone who believes because they have a peer reviewed
scientific publication confirming the facts of the article in question?I always thought faith was believing something despite the complete lack of evidence. Which is why it is so difficult for so many skeptical scientific minded people.Many folks just can not bring themselves to accept extrordinary claims in the absence of reproducible, falsifiable evidence.
If this where not so, there would be no atheist or agnostics.

There's a cave-in at the quote mine. Hebrews 10:38 does not say anything about evidence.The sensible shall live by evidence. Where there is no evidence they are permitted to fall back on the inferior faith.

If you believe in them you can trust them.

Oh DON"T be stupid. I believe there are evil entities that are not to be trusted.

No. You have to have evidence but it's for something you cannot see, that's where faith enters. I believe in a God I can't see, but I believe because of the evidence given by others of His existence and His character. The evidence is witness evidence, testimony, and if you refuse to accept that as evidence then you'll never believe, but it IS evidence. God gave some people physical evidence, miracles. Those people reported it to us. He isn't going to give us that kind of evidence. As Jesus said, "Blessed are those who did not see and yet believed." Because they believed what the witnesses told them. This is false. You want a certain KIND of evidence. But there is certainly evidence galore of witness evidence.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The quote is from the Bible, the only thing it could be talking about is the hearing of the gospel of salvation. Hearing anything else isn't going to save anybody. What good can it do to have faith in something false? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.