But I'm not talking about getting water OUT of the stone, the whole idea is that it went INTO the stone.
It's a figure of speech, Faith.
And nobody has yet accounted for why the stories about this discovery keep talking about "oceans" of water and a huge "reservoir" of water if all they mean is the "water" that exists on the sun, about which nobody ever speaks of "oceans" or "reservoirs."
There are 57,000,000 ocean's-worth of "water" on the Sun, enough to fill a vast reservoir. There you go. Now I've spoken of it in those terms.
And nobody has yet accounted for why the stories about this discovery keep talking about "oceans" of water and a huge "reservoir" of water [...] Kindly answer the question. "Lazy journalists" doesn't do it, they obviously got it from the scientists working on it.
The things you make up without evidence are not obvious.
Here's something the lead scientist did say: "It translates into a very, very large mass of water, approaching the sort of mass of water that's present in all the world's ocean".
This is not the same as calling it an ocean.
The question is Why mention water at all if it's really just a mineral they are talking about?
It's a mineral with hydroxide ions in it.
If you are genuinely too stupid to understand this interesting scientific result, you should stop talking about it.
One topic title comment: I should have gotten the "prove" changed to "give evidence toward" before I approved this topic.
Now let's have the messages be on-topic (or possibly suffer harsh Adminnemooseus response). As I see it, it's some sort of "getting the water out of the mantle and/or getting it back in" sort of thing.
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As I see it, it's some sort of "getting the water out of the mantle and/or getting it back in" sort of thing.
I also see a better understanding of the chemistry of Ringwoodite should be allowed OT. The terminology used by the major new sources gives the impression of "oceans" when in fact all this H2o is locked up in the Ringwoodite mineral.
No-one said "it's a mineral that never was and never will be water".
Here are some possibly relevant statements from Wikipedia:
Ringwoodite in the lower half of the transition zone is inferred to play a pivotal role in mantle dynamics, and the plastic properties of ringwoodite are thought to be critical in determining flow of material in this part of the mantle. The solubility of hydroxide in ringwoodite is important because of the effect of hydrogen upon rheology.
Ringwoodite synthesized at conditions appropriate for the transition zone has been found to contain up to 2.6 weight percent water.
Because the transition zone between the Earth’s upper and lower mantle helps govern the scale of mass and heat transport throughout the Earth, the presence of water within this region, whether global or localized, may have a significant effect on mantle rheology and therefore mantle circulation. In regions of subduction zones, the ringwoodite stability field hosts high levels of seismicity.
An ultra-deep diamond found in Juna, Brazil, contained inclusions of ringwooditethe only known sample of natural terrestrial originthus providing evidence of significant amounts of water as hydroxide in the Earth's mantle. The mantle reservoir is found to contain about three times more water, in the form of hydroxide contained within the ringwoodite crystal structure, than the Earth's oceans combined.
Flow, solubility, percent of water "contained" in the rock and so on.
The blog entry that Moose posted also speaks of actual water occurring in various phases of the chemistry involved.
All I want to know is whether the enormous quantity of water contained in the ringwoodite was possibly ever actual water in such a quantity, that then became ringwoodite.
And by the way I haven't felt any need for an answer to this particular question about where the water went after the Flood as I've seen creationist answers that seem sufficient to me, having to do with the dropping of the sea floor. Which incidentally could be implicated in the turning of water into ringwoodite.